[NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Prelim minutes from recent Board meeting

Fri May 9 07:49:28 EDT 2008

Dominik and all,

  Yes I am aware that the issues I briefly outlined are
subject matter for the GNSO Improvements.  But also many
of the issues I briefly outlined are central to the ALAC
and the ALS'es including the NARALO.  This is why I mentioned
them on this thread.  However thank you for again emphisizing
that the issues I briefly mentioned are inclusive to the
necessary improvements to the GNSO and have been sense it
replaced the DNSO and were never implimented for a number
of special interest objection reasons.

  As long as the GNSO councils members are predominantly
controled by a few special interest constituencies, progress,
solving of issues will either never occur, or be very
problamatic and likely end up with compermises that don't
solve those problems or are symptomatic at best.  Such 
eventualities are inconsistant with good structure, and
leadership.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Dominik Filipp <dominik.filipp at dsoft.sk>
>Sent: May 9, 2008 3:18 AM
>To: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com>, Wendy Seltzer <wendy at seltzer.com>, aheineman at ntia.doc.gov, na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>Cc: At-Large <alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>, icann-list at sorehands.com, Brenbe at consumer.org, bfausett at internet.law.pro, carlton.samuels at uwimona.edu.jm, john-ietf at jck.com, sebastien.bachollet at isoc.fr
>Subject: RE: [At-Large] Prelim minutes from recent Board meeting
>
>Jeff,
>
>All the things you are mentioning is subject matter of the GNSO
>Improvements. That is what should be in focus in the first place.
>
>Dominik
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeffrey A. Williams [mailto:jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com] 
>Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 7:06 AM
>To: Dominik Filipp; Wendy Seltzer; aheineman at ntia.doc.gov;
>na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>Cc: At-Large; icann-list at sorehands.com; Brenbe at consumer.org;
>bfausett at internet.law.pro; carlton.samuels at uwimona.edu.jm;
>denise.michel at icann.org; john-ietf at jck.com; Jeff.Neuman at neustar.us;
>nick.ashton-hart at icann.org; twomey at icann.org; stacy.burnette at icann.org;
>sebastien.bachollet at isoc.fr
>Subject: Re: [At-Large] Prelim minutes from recent Board meeting
>
>Dominik and all,
>
>  My and our members main problem with the ALAC, the ALS'es and the
>NARALO is a complete lack of transparency, openness, and significant
>propensity for censorship that has already been displayed.  
>
>  The problems with the ALAC structure, the GNSO structure are nearly
>the same the ALAC and the GNSO are wanting or seemingly wanting to
>restrict based on various unreasonable and improper rule making, active
>participation and membership of all classes of stakeholders be they
>users or registrant-users of various sorts.  This does not boad well for
>ICANN meeting it's mission requirements and significantly undermines the
>MOU.  As such, there can be no policy decision that has any form of
>legitimate consensus, and certainly not measured consensus.
>
>  Of course all of the above has been, and remains the central and
>predominant question as to ICANN's legitimacy sense it's conception.
>
>  If indeed openness and transparency as well as accountability are ever
>to be achieved no stakeholder can be denied both a voice and a vote as
>to any policy that may be considered, nor can any stakeholder, most
>especially users be denied or moderated from access and intimidated or
>refused the ability to propose policy to any public resource including
>public forums such as these. Of course this would require that users
>regardless of status, have the predominant position on the ICANN board,
>the GSNO council, and within or as a part of any ALS, including of
>course the NARALO. 
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dominik Filipp <dominik.filipp at dsoft.sk>
>>Sent: May 8, 2008 8:38 AM
>>To: Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org>, Wendy Seltzer <wendy at seltzer.com>
>>Cc: At-Large <alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>Subject: Re: [At-Large] Prelim minutes from recent Board meeting
>>
>>Evan,
>>
>>If you or NARALO have any concerns or objections to the joint statement
>
>>worth mentioning, just enumerate them here. I think, at this stage, the
>
>>new structure needs not be entirely clarified. In my opinion, the 
>>important think to decide now is whether to fix the main model based on
>>3 or 4 groups. Notwithstanding the strange circumstances under which 
>>the statement was negotiated, issued and barely discussed, the joint 
>>statement based on 3 stakeholder groups seems to me quite reasonable.
>>
>>Sure, there may be questionable/disputable details in the statement, 
>>but I think there will be an additional room to allow for a further 
>>refinement.
>>
>>However, if your objections are of serious nature we can then update or
>
>>reconsider the statement.
>>
>>Dominik
>> 
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>[mailto:alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Evan 
>>Leibovitch
>>Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 12:17 AM
>>To: Wendy Seltzer
>>Cc: At-Large
>>Subject: Re: [At-Large] Prelim minutes from recent Board meeting
>>
>>Hi Wendy,
>>> While the summit is budgeted separately from the Cairo meeting, in 
>>> the
>>> 2008-09 budget, some Board members raised concerns about the expected
>
>>> cost.  The Summit team and At-Large should be prepared with 
>>> compelling
>>
>>> explanations of the proposed summit's value to ICANN.
>>>   
>>This issue was raised in the Summit WG confcall just concluded.
>>
>>It was noted that
>>-- the ICANN meeting following Cairo (spring 2009) is scheduled for 
>>Latin America, and not necessarily likely to be less expensive.
>>-- The Cairo meeting is a 10th anniversary for ICANN and thus has 
>>special significance (and publicity potential)
>>-- ICANN has not to date considered finances of accessibility when 
>>planning meeting locations; it should not penalize At-Large because of 
>>this.
>>
>>> With regard to the GNSO Improvements plan, I'd like to know what ALAC
>
>>> and At-Large want conveyed to the Board.  At the moment ALAC is 
>>> signed
>>
>>> on to a joint statement about which I've heard much concern on both 
>>> process and substance.
>>>   
>>Unfortunately, so far it appears that NARALO is the only region to have
>
>>expressed concern so far; I wonder if we are alone in our objections.
>>
>>To my knowledge, so far other regions are OK with the current joint 
>>statement, though I am not aware of a formal vote or consensus in 
>>approval. NARALO is considering whether to issue a side comment but I'm
>
>>not sure if that does (or can) affect the content of the joint 
>>statement as it has currently been negotiated.
>>
>>> The ALAC review was discussed, and it was noted that this is an
>"ALAC"
>>
>>> review and not a review of all of "At Large's" place in the ICANN
>>structure.
>>>   
>>This strikes me as somewhat disingenuous. Given the central role of 
>>ALAC in the current constitution of At-Large, it is impossible to 
>>completely separate the two.
>>
>>Can you clairify what they meant?
>>
>>- Evan
>>
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