[NA-Discuss] [At-Large] New CIRA Whois Policy Strikes Balance Between Privacy and Access

[Thompson, Darlene]

Jeffrey,

You have been warned before about personal attacks.  Consider this a
warning and please desist.  John was simply responding to Ross Rader and
so put it in a Canadian context.

Darlene

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Subject: Re: [At-Large] New CIRA Whois Policy Strikes Balance Between
Privacy and Access

Derek, John, and all,

  Same is essentially true for Google.com, gmail.com,
googlemail.com, and wikipedia.org, as well as 68,000
other Domain names in the US, yet it seems that John is
emphisizing Canada in particular?  Very odd indeed!

-----Original Message-----
>From: Derek Smythe <derek at aa419.org>
>Sent: May 3, 2008 11:47 AM
>To: alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>Subject: Re: [At-Large] New CIRA Whois Policy Strikes Balance Between
Privacy and Access
>
>Sadly I have to agree with John.
>
>Why, doesn't cxeibbltd.com just host a lovely domain, privacy 
>protected and all!
>
>That is until you search on the telephone number given on the contact 
>page, 1-800-882-4036 and start digging deeper.
>
>However, all is not bad. The privacy provider for the mentioned domain 
>will most likely expose whois since they have a zero fraud tolerance 
>and the Registrar as will cancel it.
>
>There is a lesson to learn here: Checks and balances.
>
>Many of these scammers' domains pass our hands regularly, I would like 
>to say I live in the real world of the Internet.
>
>However, what is CIRA's policy upon encountering a similar situation? 
>If the responses are one of the stock standard:
>- DRP, who will pay for the procedures for all those lovely scam, 
>spam, phish  domains?
>- Law Enforcement, I can guarantee you once again the process will be 
>flawed unless the RCP rapidly expands their forces overnight.
>- Court Order, which court in which country?
>- Will the company vs private registrant rule be enforced?
>
>http://www.cira.ca/en/documents/2007/PRP-rant-agreementv1.7.pdf
>How do you promptly resolve an issue? Evidence of residence faxed is 
>as far as your nearest DTP package. I can show you many ID's and 
>employee cards published by all but the logos of the institutions they 
>claim to represent. Snail mail for a phishing domain?
>
>To spice up the mix, we just add a large known contingent of scammers 
>and carders known to live on the Toronto area, some of who have made 
>the headlines already recently.
>
>I can show list upon list of registrants that turned out to be the 
>same person, all determined by analyzing whois details. This 
>information has been used to protect the all internet users time and 
>again. Who will do this at CIRA where full whois info is not visible? 
>How will they collaborate with other parties?
>
>Pardon me if I sound cynical, but I have seen too many abuse reports 
>ignored and too many ordinary internet users suffer the consequences.
>
>I guess history will tell.
>
>Regards
>
>Derek
>
>
>
>John Levine wrote:
>>> kudos to CIRA for not only developing a privacy friendly WHOIS
policy -
>>> but also implementing it.
>> 
>> Yes indeed.  Every crook, scammer, phisher, and fraudster from St
Johns to 
>> Victoria really appreciates it.
>> 
>> R's,
>> John
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