[NA-Discuss] [At-Large] New CIRA Whois Policy Strikes Balance Between Privacy and Access

Sat May 3 18:04:17 EDT 2008

Ross and all,

  I respectfully in part disagree with the tenor and tone
of your response to Dereks valid concern.  He indeed may
or should clarify his concern as it is not the privacy
of PII data contained in a Whois record that is the acctual
problem, but rather the lack of accuracy of non-pii Whois
data in a whois record that is essential to be corrected
and overseen in an active and expediant manner so that
correction of such can be effected appropriately and
with all due haste.  Secondly, "Abuse" Email contact
addresses need to be made manditory in all Whois records,
which is clearly not the case today and hasn't been for a
very long time now (years), as is phone contact information
for the Admin Email contact.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Ross Rader <ross at tucows.com>
>Sent: May 3, 2008 12:32 PM
>To: "derek at aa419.org" <derek at aa419.org>
>Cc: "alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org" <alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>Subject: Re: [At-Large] New CIRA Whois Policy Strikes Balance Between	Privacy and Access
>
>Whois privacy for .ca names is nothing new. Implementation of this  
>policy will simply standardize it across the namespace. There's simply  
>no basis for your fear mongering.
>
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>Warm regards,
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>-Ross
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>On 3-May-08, at 2:47 PM, Derek Smythe <derek at aa419.org> wrote:
>
>> Sadly I have to agree with John.
>>
>> Why, doesn't cxeibbltd.com just host a lovely domain, privacy
>> protected and all!
>>
>> That is until you search on the telephone number given on the contact
>> page, 1-800-882-4036 and start digging deeper.
>>
>> However, all is not bad. The privacy provider for the mentioned domain
>> will most likely expose whois since they have a zero fraud tolerance
>> and the Registrar as will cancel it.
>>
>> There is a lesson to learn here: Checks and balances.
>>
>> Many of these scammers' domains pass our hands regularly, I would like
>> to say I live in the real world of the Internet.
>>
>> However, what is CIRA's policy upon encountering a similar situation?
>> If the responses are one of the stock standard:
>> - DRP, who will pay for the procedures for all those lovely scam,
>> spam, phish  domains?
>> - Law Enforcement, I can guarantee you once again the process will be
>> flawed unless the RCP rapidly expands their forces overnight.
>> - Court Order, which court in which country?
>> - Will the company vs private registrant rule be enforced?
>>
>> http://www.cira.ca/en/documents/2007/PRP-rant-agreementv1.7.pdf
>> How do you promptly resolve an issue? Evidence of residence faxed is
>> as far as your nearest DTP package. I can show you many ID's and
>> employee cards published by all but the logos of the institutions they
>> claim to represent. Snail mail for a phishing domain?
>>
>> To spice up the mix, we just add a large known contingent of scammers
>> and carders known to live on the Toronto area, some of who have made
>> the headlines already recently.
>>
>> I can show list upon list of registrants that turned out to be the
>> same person, all determined by analyzing whois details. This
>> information has been used to protect the all internet users time and
>> again. Who will do this at CIRA where full whois info is not visible?
>> How will they collaborate with other parties?
>>
>> Pardon me if I sound cynical, but I have seen too many abuse reports
>> ignored and too many ordinary internet users suffer the consequences.
>>
>> I guess history will tell.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Derek
>>
>>
>>
>> John Levine wrote:
>>>> kudos to CIRA for not only developing a privacy friendly WHOIS  
>>>> policy -
>>>> but also implementing it.
>>>
>>> Yes indeed.  Every crook, scammer, phisher, and fraudster from St  
>>> Johns to
>>> Victoria really appreciates it.
>>>
>>> R's,
>>> John
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