[NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Bad domains McAfee study
Jeffrey A. Williams
jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com
Mon Jun 16 18:28:57 EDT 2008
Roland and all,
Thanks for chiming in Roeland. Good to have an old timer like
yourself provide historic wisdom of which you are so well known
for.
I for one fully agree that censoring content itself is a slippery
slope and should be avoided for the very reasons you so nicely
stated. Additionally Registries and Registrars cannot adaquately
oversee their registrants, and ICANN isn't willing to do so.
This leaves Government LEA's to perform that function, which also
isn't at times a very effective or wise idea. Yet FISA suggests
doing just that in the US. And Canada as well as the UK have similar
legislation and/or regulation nearing compleation to do likewise.
ACTA for instance, a very recently negotiated in secret agreement
between the US, Canada, and the EU countries is about to be considered
for in part, the purposes of addressing content related issues, including
IP interests and Child pornography content.
If anyone want's some refrences on ACTA, please contact me
off-list, I will be happy to forward them.
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>From: RoelandM at RoelandMeyer.Org
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>To: "'Jeffrey A. Williams'" <jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com>, 'Wendy Seltzer' <wendy at seltzer.com>, "'Brendler,Beau'" <Brenbe at consumer.org>, aheineman at ntia.doc.gov, ssene at ntia.doc.gov
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>Subject: RE: [At-Large] Bad domains McAfee study
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>I have a difficult time believing that anyone would even consider registries responsible for content. This was a battle that we all fought long and hard over , in 1999. This skates perilously close to the edge of that slippery slope where we start denying domain registrations due to (perceived) content. When you start blocking any of them then the precedent is set and opens DNS registrations up to all sorts of insane censorship issues. The next thing you know, you will have some religious whacktard demanding that breastcancer.org be deleted because it contains the word "breast".
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>What needs to happen is that bot-farmers and phishing racketeers need to start doing some serious jail time. International alliances need to be setup to do this, not forcing the registry operators to become unpaid "police". They should not be allowed to volunteer for that role either.
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>We can find the bot farmers and we can catch the racketeers. What we can't seem to do is get them to spend more than three months in jail.
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>For most of you on this list, yes I am the same rmeyer at mhsc.com that was on the IFWP and DNSO. I am currently a director of the TLDA with Joe Baptista.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jeffrey A. Williams [mailto:jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com]
>> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 11:11 PM
>> To: Wendy Seltzer; Brendler,Beau; aheineman at ntia.doc.gov;
>> ssene at ntia.doc.gov
>> Cc: At-Large Worldwide; alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca; bev at pcna.ca; icann-
>> list at sorehands.com; namecritic at blogs.pn; Brenbe at consumer.org;
>> bfausett at internet.law.pro; CWallace at cygnacom.com;
>> carlton.samuels at uwimona.edu.jm; dannyyounger at yahoo.com;
>> dave at farber.net; denise.michel at icann.org; derek at aa419.org;
>> dpefeva at isoc.bg; dominik.filipp at dsoft.sk;
>> elisabeth.porteneuve at cetp.ipsl.fr; enoss at tucows.com;
>> frederic.teboul at icann.org; shearman at victoria.tc.ca;
>> cgomes at verisign.com; jeffrey at icann.org; iza at anr.org;
>> jam at jacquelinemorris.com; jefsey at club-internet.fr;
>> baptista at publicroot.org; john-ietf at jck.com; jpalmer at american-
>> webmasters.net; Julie.myers at dhs.gov; matthias.langenegger at icann.org;
>> mike at palage.com; michele at blacknight.ie; Jeff.Neuman at neustar.us;
>> jnevett at networksolutions.com; nick.ashton-hart at icann.org;
>> twomey at icann.org; rguerra at privaterra.org; robert at privaterra.org;
>> roberto at icann.org; roelandm at roelandmeyer.org; ross at tucows.com;
>> stacy.burnette at icann.org; sebastien.bachollet at isoc.fr;
>> Thomas.E.Wrosch at STATE.OR.US; roessler at does-not-exist.org;
>> DThompson at GOV.NU.CA; vb at bertola.eu; wendy at seltzer.com;
>> joly at punkcast.com
>> Subject: Re: [At-Large] Bad domains McAfee study
>>
>> Wendy and all,
>>
>> I agree. Registries should not be held accountable for
>> "Content". They are in part at least responsible for
>> DNS configuration as such is a safty and security issue.
>> Which was what this Mcafee study was all about.
>>
>> From my and our members experiance and to a great extent,
>> our independant study, your accurate in that older DN's
>> "Tend", but are all not necessarly less "infested" or
>> "Dangerous" than newer DN's. Dot info domain names are far
>> too often more "Dangerous" from a DNS configuration stand
>> point than most, other than .cn .hu, .ca, .it, .co.uk,
>> com.za, .com.au, .in and .ru, and more recently, .us.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Wendy Seltzer <wendy at seltzer.com>
>> >Sent: Jun 9, 2008 12:23 PM
>> >To: "Brendler, Beau" <Brenbe at consumer.org>
>> >Cc: At-Large Worldwide <alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] Bad domains McAfee study
>> >
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>> >I'm not Afilias, but I'd tend to say that domain name doesn't equal
>> >content, and a registry is not and should not be responsible for
>> >domains' uses.
>> >
>> >I'm not sure this study is any more representative or useful than
>> "older
>> >sites tend to be less infested than newer ones" or "URLs that start
>> with
>> >WWW differ from those that don't."
>> >
>> >- --Wendy
>> >
>> >Brendler, Beau wrote:
>> >> Thanks, Jaqueline, that's interesting. I'd also be really interested
>> to
>> >> hear Afilias' response to this characterization of .info.
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Jacqueline A. Morris [mailto:jam at jacquelinemorris.com]
>> >> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:33 PM
>> >> To: Brendler, Beau
>> >> Cc: At-Large Worldwide
>> >> Subject: Re: [At-Large] Bad domains McAfee study
>> >>
>> >> Hi Beau
>> >> There's been some discussion on the cc lists about this as you can
>> >> imagine.
>> >> Here's the .hk response to the media:
>> >>
>> >> We are very surprised to learn about the research findings from
>> McAfee.
>> >> In fact, in a meeting organized by Anti-Phishing Working Group last
>> week
>> >> in Tokyo Japan, Hong Kong Domain Name Registration (HKDNR) was
>> invited
>> >> to present its best practice in combating suspicious websites. We
>> are
>> >> trying to get in touch with the research author to gain more
>> insights
>> >> into this research and the findings. The research report shows the
>> >> figures and analysis of the whole of last year. In particular, the
>> >> report claimed that 9.9 million websites have been tested. It is
>> >> suspected that most of the malicious sites were tested several
>> months
>> >> ago and no long exist.
>> >>
>> >> HKDNR is committed to providing a safe Internet environment for the
>> >> community and has put in place various measures against suspicious
>> >> websites. We have been working closely with Office of the
>> >> Telecommunications Authority (OFTA), Hong Kong Police and Hong Kong
>> >> Computer Emergency Response Team Coordination Centre (HKCERT) to
>> monitor
>> >> and control the situation. In August last year, in conjunction with
>> the
>> >> list of suspicious domains provided by OFTA, we suspended over
>> 10,000
>> >> domains in regard. Following that initiatives, the situation with
>> '.hk'
>> >> related suspicious websites has been greatly improved.
>> >>
>> >> We actively review our systems and domain name registration
>> procedures
>> >> and policies. Particularly, we have more stringent documentary
>> >> requirements to combat suspicious websites registered overseas in
>> order
>> >> to catch up with the fast-changing Internet world. We also want to
>> call
>> >> for the general community to be aware of the issue and report to
>> related
>> >> authorities whenever they have queries accessing a web site.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Brendler, Beau wrote:
>> >>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24966835?GT1=43001
>> >>>
>> >>> "McAfee found the most dangerous domains to navigate to are ".hk"
>> >>> (Hong Kong), ".cn" (China) and ".info" (information)."
>> >>>
>> >>> Apologies if you've seen this already.
>> >>>
>> >>> BB
>> >>>
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