[NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Updates to New gTLD Program Implementation andauctioning model.

Sun Aug 10 22:35:19 EDT 2008

Chris and all,

  Good point, good argument, and your conclusion is of course
spot on.  But Chris, some of these folks are dreamers.  As such
they seek the good nature of capitalists to support their rice/begging
bowl of demands or desires.  That's of course not how raw
Capitalism works, and never has been.  ICANN is gluten for
more money as having more money equates to more power
and influence.  Remember, as I am sure you do, influence is
always for sale, but rarely for free.

  This ALAC proposal is so weak as to be pitiful.  The IPC
and BC will see it in a New York second.

  Only DOC/NTIA can nix the ICANN new gTLD auction
implimentation proposal.  IMO and the opinion of our
members, they should do so.  But I doubt that they will.

NameCritic wrote:

> I like your thoughts about the funds going into an account to assist those
> that cannot afford the high price ICANN wants for the creation of a new TLD.
> How would you suggest the playing field be equal in terms of small business
> owners vs. large corporations? Auctions favor the larger corporation or
> anyone with more money. That has never been an equitable solution. Do you
> believe that those who created TLDs in other roots with the intention of
> being added to the ICANN root should have no preference given to them? With
> domain names, first come, first serve was always the accepted method. The
> new ICANN gTLD process ignores those who have already shown their
> intentions, many for several years, in favor of whoever can pay the most
> money. You really think this is fair?
>
> Chris McElroy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Greenberg" <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
> To: <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 5:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [At-Large] Updates to New gTLD Program Implementation and
> auctioning model.
>
> > Patrick and Hong, I find your comments a strong over-reaction.
> >
> > The issue that is being discussed is how to handle the situation of
> > multiple people applying for the same TLD, and they cannot come to an
> > agreement amongst themselves. Classic examples are ".web" and ".mail"
> > but there are plenty of other examples.
> >
> > The paper discusses the various ways of addressing such conflicts,
> > and comes to the conclusion that auctions are probably the preferable
> > path. If you disagree with this, that is fine. The only seeming
> > practical alternative is a subjective analysis of which is the best
> > for the overall good of the Internet or the communities or whatever
> > (the so-called beauty contest). I find that alternative far too
> > fraught with potential problems, but if that is what you favour, it
> > would be interesting to hear how you think it can be done properly.
> >
> > Using an auction to resolve the conflict does indeed mean that .web
> > will not likely go to a small not-for-profit organization. If that is
> > your concern, then in my mind, you are being somewhat unrealistic.
> >
> > On the positive side, the possible auctions of these relatively few
> > high-profile TLDs will likely bring in a LOT of money. It has
> > repeatedly been suggested that this wind-fall profit not be simply
> > wrapped into ICANN general funds, or even used to offset the costs of
> > offering new gTLDs. But rather it be used to (with appropriate
> > caution) make it less expensive and less onerous for not-for-profits,
> > cultural communities and developing countries folks to acquire new gTLDs.
> >
> > Now THAT is something that I think At-Large should make a strong
> > statement about.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
> > At 09/08/2008 06:03 PM, Hong Xue wrote:
> >>Thanks for drawing our attention on this paper. Given that the new gTLD
> >>process embraces the IDN TLDs, the paper presents a very surprising, or
> >>shocking view, on allocation of TLDs. If the paper is primarily on the
> >>economic consideration, I wonder if the ICANN has any other consideration,
> >>such as protecting cultural diversity and bridging digital divide, on
> >>selection of new gTLDs (IDN gTLDs). As a governing body of a critical
> >>Internet resources, ICANN should envisage the values that are more
> >>important
> >>and fundamental than the highest bidding amount. I echo what has been
> >>precisely stated by Vittorio:
> >>
> >>Another wrong assumption is that monetary value is the only quantity that
> >>counts.In fact, personally I think that the "value" of a TLD is mostly
> >>connected to other factors. For example, one is how many final users of
> >>the
> >>Internet will ever use services located inside that TLD; another one is
> >>how
> >>strongly these people will feel attached to that TLD, i.e. whether the TLD
> >>contributes to build any kind of "community identity" for an online group
> >>of
> >>people that presently does not have it; a third one is whether the new TLD
> >>will spawn innovative uses of the DNS or enable innovative services. None
> >>of
> >>these is directly connected to monetary value, and it is quite disturbing
> >>to
> >>me that an organization like ICANN, which is meant to steward scarce
> >>global
> >>public resources in the interest of the entire community of the Internet,
> >>still seems to have such a partial and narrow view of where the value of
> >>the
> >>Internet itself lies.
> >>Hong
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Patrick Vande Walle
> >><patrick at vande-walle.eu
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> > http://icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-08aug08-en.htm
> >> >
> >> > ICANN has published a paper from its contractor PowerAuctions LLC,
> >> > regarding the use of auctions to award new TLD strings in case of
> >> > contention.
> >> >
> >> > http://icann.org/en/topics/economic-case-auctions-08aug08-en.pdf
> >> >
> >> > I think it would be important that the At Large speaks up. The model
> >> > proposed in the document is a purely capitalistic one. It is based on
> >> > the assumption that all gTLDs are created to make as much money as
> >> > possible. Smaller, community based TLDs seem quite difficult to launch
> >> > in such context.
> >> >
> >> > The mere possibility of auctions will actually generate contention on
> >> > some strings. The little guys wishing to establish a not-for-profit TLD
> >> >  will be outplayed by the wealthy ones.
> >> >
> >> > A public forum has been established at
> >> > http://forum.icann.org/lists/auction-consultation/.
> >> > Comments to auction-consultation at icann.org before 8 September 2008.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Patrick Vande Walle
> >> >
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