[NA-Discuss] [At-Large] GNSO Improvements Statement Edits

Wed Apr 30 02:40:25 EDT 2008

Dominik and all,

  Thank you for more accurately expressing actual situation
with the ALAC, ALS'es, GNSO, and to a great extent ICANN staff
and Bod respectively.

  Asking nicely from any entity makes it very easy to recieve
a just as nice refusal without reason or explanation.  This has
been and remains the history of ICANN, the GNSO, and now it
seems more and more, the ALAC's, and ALS'es leadership.  Frankly
asking nicely many times unfortunately is akin to a "Fart in a
whirl-wind".  It's barely heard, and routinely ignored.  These
people work for US, we don't work for them.  Unfortunately many
of them don't or won't recognize that in the manner any real
professional does, or would.  

-----Original Message-----
>From: Dominik Filipp <dominik.filipp at dsoft.sk>
>Sent: Apr 29, 2008 2:47 AM
>To: Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org>, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
>Cc: At-Large Worldwide <alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>Subject: Re: [At-Large] [NA-Discuss] GNSO Improvements Statement Edits
>
>Agree with Evan. The committee balance, the NonComm appointing process
>and the like is just another excuse and attempt how to dilute and
>confuse the public effort and to conduct ALAC's activities.
>
>The primary goal of ALAC is to firmly DEMAND adequate voting power, not
>to 'kindly' ask for it. An adequate voting power, not one voice lost in
>the pile of anonymous voices. It is ridiculous that after years the wide
>public community still has no voting power. All attempts to accomplish
>this in the past failed due to the perpetual staff ignorance. This tells
>enough about proclaimed seriousness and sincerity of the staff towards
>the public voice, and as such they deserve adequate response from the
>public audience.
>
>I am fed up with all that servile speech in documents such as 'we
>welcome/applaud/appreciate the Board decision' and the like. In fact,
>many of them would deserve to be immediately fired along with many other
>staffers. Frankly, this would be the only adequate appreciation of their
>overall REAL work done for the public community.
>
>The ALAC and the public voice will be as strong as strong will be its
>defense coming from the public community. The staffers must clearly see
>and understand they are serving the public community, not vice versa.
>
>The ALAC should not get involved into this cover-up but instead strongly
>insist on its independent and accountable position with all the
>legitimate power associated with it.
>
>
>Dominik
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>[mailto:alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Evan
>Leibovitch
>Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 5:25 AM
>To: Alan Greenberg
>Cc: 'At-Large Worldwide'; 'NA Discuss'
>Subject: Re: [At-Large] [NA-Discuss] GNSO Improvements Statement Edits
>
>Alan Greenberg wrote:
>> The two RALO appointed members do indeed represent the RALO and its 
>> ALSs.  It is subject to debate whether you believe that in every 
>> region and at every point in time, a RALO and its ALS fully and 
>> accurately represent all USERS of that region.
>Of course the challenge is to get as much genuine representation as
>possible. If various countries or interest groups exist that need a
>voice, then attempts should be made to genuinely give them that voice --
>not to appoint people pretending to speak on their behalf with ZERO
>accountability.
>
>> The NomCom appointed  ALAC members are charged with doing just that.
>We're ALL charged with trying to represent the grassroots as best we
>can. The difference is that the ALS delegates to ALAC must be
>accountable to their ALS _and_ their RALO. The fact remains -- despite
>all sugar coating -- that once selected, the NonCommers are accountable
>to nobody. That's two levels of accountability, election and potential
>recall by the grassrooots, compared to zero.
>
>> No doubt this latter  task is also potentially as fraught with
>problems, but it does give  some balance to the committee.
>>   
>The problems far outweigh the balance -- and it's not potential, it's
>very real as we've witnessed in the lack of ability of NARALO to respond
>adequately to the GNSO documents. The problems in NomComm appointees to
>ALAC compound further once one considers the reciprocal incestuousness
>inherent in ALAC picking NomComm members.
>
>ALAC is always in need of good sources of advice on policy, and it
>doesn't need the NomComm to identify those good sources. What is at
>issue are delegates who have zero accountability to the grassroots,
>affecting the direction of At-Large with equal status to those with
>proper accountability.
>
>> Just to be clear, this is, as you noted, a "proposal". At the moment, 
>> all NomCom appointees are full voting members of the groups to which 
>> they are appointed, and one of the motivations is to add some measure 
>> of balance to the other members who represent specific organizations 
>> (just as RALO appointed members represent their RALO and ALSs).
>>   
>I simply note that the GNSO proposal comes to the same sane conclusion
>that must seriously be considered by ALAC -- have appointees for advice
>by all means, but limit voting and leadership to elected
>representatives.
>
>In any case, the repeated excuse of "balance" is disturbing and
>bordering on insult. To speak of a need for balance is to assert that
>there is something unwanted amongst the elected, accountable
>representatives that must be balanced against. I am eagerly awaiting a
>enumeration of those undesirable components, ESPECIALLY in the
>constitution of a body that is itself supposed to be representative of
>ICANN's grassroots.
>
>I hope that anyone who has spoken to the ALAC review people (and
>especially those of you who haven't yet, please do) will indicate the
>impediment to the maturation of ALAC caused by the NomComm component.
>
>- Evan
>
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