[NA-Discuss] [At-Large] GNSO reform and ALAC

Wed Apr 23 12:26:33 EDT 2008

Jeff,

Re:  "If you view the current structure as having the
pendulum swing too far in favor of the contracted
parties..."

That's certainly how I view it.  For instance, how
many registry/registrar regional sessions have been
sponsored/supported by ICANN over the years?  Has
ICANN ever once sponsored a session just for the
non-contracted parties?  

ICANN continues to operate as a Guild Manager favoring
certain groups over others, and by now we're all
getting pretty sick of it.

Perhaps in the upcoming 2008 North American Regional
Registry/Registrar Gathering in New Orleans next week,
you can ask your peers to offer up a suitable
counter-proposal that would better position the
pendulum.

regards,
Danny

--- "Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman at neustar.us> wrote:

> It is of course no surprise that the same document
> which purports to
> "strike a balance" has ensured that the GNSO Council
> could always obtain
> a Supermajority Vote without ever even involving the
> Registries and or
> Registrars (who by no coincidence could actually be
> bound by their
> decisions).  
> 
> It is also no coincidence that no registries or
> registrars were even
> asked to participate in the process to come up with
> the new structure.
> It is extremely telling of how the signatories plan
> on conducting policy
> in the future ... namely, without the involvement of
> the registries and
> registrars.  
> 
> If you view the current structure as having the
> pendulum swing too far
> in favor of the contracted parties, the solution is
> NOT to swing the
> pendulum completely the opposite way, but rather to
> find some common
> ground.  That did not happen here......
> 
> Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq. 
> Sr. Director, Law, Advanced Services  & 
> 
> Business Development 
> 
> NeuStar, Inc. 
> e-mail: Jeff.Neuman at Neustar.us 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> [mailto:alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On
> Behalf Of Wendy Seltzer
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:09 AM
> To: Danny Younger
> Cc: At-Large Worldwide; NA Discuss
> Subject: Re: [At-Large] [NA-Discuss] GNSO reform and
> ALAC
> 
> What a farce.
> 
> Whether or not the document is any good, I saw no
> consultation with ALAC
> that would support the claim that "The attached
> document is a unique
> collaboration of the joint users groups
> represented within
> ICANN today:
> The At-Large Advisory Committee
> The Commercial and Business Users Constituency
> The Intellectual Property Constituency
> The Internet Service and Connection Providers
> Constituency
> The Non-Commercial Users Constituency."
> 
> --Wendy
> 
> Danny Younger wrote:
> > Evan,
> > 
> > The ALAC has participated in a joint statement
> without
> > any consultative engagement with its own
> membership; 
> > such behavior should not be countenanced -- the
> final
> > Statement is posted here:
> >
>
http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-improvements-report-2008/msg00012.html
> > 
> > regards,
> > Danny
> > 
> > 
> > --- Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org> wrote:
> > 
> >> Hello everyone,
> >>
> >> For reasons that are unclear to me, there is a
> >> document being drafted on
> >> a proposed revision to the GNSO to allow for some
> >> sort of "public"
> >> representation that has come up with some very
> >> strange conclusions. Here
> >> is an early draft of the document:
> >>
> >
>
http://www.ipconstituency.org/PDFs/Position%20to%20Board%20on%20GNSO%20R
> eform.pdf
> >> A more recent version of the draft has
> essentially
> >> gutted ALAC's role
> >> and calls for some sort of direct participation
> by
> >> ALSs. The truly
> >> amazing thing is that this is being advanced as
> >> having the support of
> >> ALAC itself! 
> >>
> >
>
http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ispcp/msg00413.html
> >> Compounding the problem is that the closing of
> >> public comments is this
> >> week -- and the fact that the document is still
> in
> >> flux!! How can "the
> >> public" adequately address a moving target in
> this
> >> manner?
> >>
> >> Frankly, not only the document but the process
> that
> >> has produced it is
> >> flawed to the point of causing distress. I've now
> >> heard from Beau and
> >> Wendy (who have sopken up on the internal ALAC
> list
> >> -- why is it being
> >> debated there?) and Danny (in personal contact
> with
> >> me). I am asking one
> >> or more of you to help craft a NARALO position
> that
> >> we can submit this
> >> week. I will do my best to help but I will likely
> be
> >> incapacitated for
> >> most of the rest of this week because of surgery.
> >>
> >> Both the document (at least in its current form)
> and
> >> the process that
> >> developed it IMO should not be submitted as
> >> something with widespread --
> >> let alone universal -- public support. Can some
> >> folks here please get
> >> together to draft something upon which NARALO can
> >> get a consensus
> >> statement and submit before the deadline?
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> - Evan
> >>
> >>
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> > 
> > 
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> of Law
> Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society
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