[NA-Discuss] [At-Large] ALAC Draft AccountabilityFramework andConflicts of Interest Policy

Mon Apr 14 12:28:00 EDT 2008

We hear from the registrant users all the time, that's Danny's point. The 
issue is to hear form the others. That's what at Large is trying to do, and 
that's where you can be constructive and offer suggestions to engage the 
general public, not the registrants who are already engaged!

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From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com>
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 12:16 PM
To: "Thompson,Darlene" <DThompson at GOV.NU.CA>; "Nick Ashton-Hart" 
<Nick.Ashton-Hart at icann.org>
Cc: "NA Discuss" <na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] ALAC Draft AccountabilityFrameworkandConflictsof Interest Policy

> Darlene and all,
>
>  Darlene,
>
>  Please try to remember that registrants are users/members
> of the public just as much as non-registrants are.  Seperating
> the the two is only useful in matter of perspectives, not
> actuallity.  We all need to hear from users-registrants just
> as much as we need to hear form non-registrant-users.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson at GOV.NU.CA>
>>Sent: Apr 14, 2008 8:39 AM
>>To: Danny Younger <dannyyounger at yahoo.com>, "Jacqueline A. Morris" 
>><jam at jacquelinemorris.com>, Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org>, Nick 
>>Ashton-Hart <Nick.Ashton-Hart at icann.org>
>>Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] ALAC Draft Accountability Framework 
>>andConflicts of Interest Policy
>>
>>Danny,
>>
>>Actually, I would have to agree with your statement, "The truth of the
>>matter is that most ALSs have only a passing interest on an occasional
>>topic; they have no deep commitment to defend those that they
>>purportedly represent."  This goes right to the heart of what Jacqueline
>>was saying.  ALSs are not registrants.  ICANN wants public opinion on
>>stuff that the public, over all, has only a passing interest in.
>>
>>So, how do we get more public interest in this (and I DON'T mean
>>registrant interest - I mean John Q Public)?  What are your suggestions
>>on how to improve things, rather than just pointing out where everybody
>>else is failing?
>>
>>D
>>
>>Darlene A. Thompson
>>Community Access Program Administrator
>>Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP
>>P.O. Box 1000, Station 910
>>Iqaluit, NU  X0A 0H0
>>Phone:  (867) 975-5631
>>Fax:  (867) 975-5610
>>E-mail:  dthompson at gov.nu.ca
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger at yahoo.com]
>>Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:30 AM
>>To: Thompson, Darlene; Jacqueline A. Morris; Evan Leibovitch; Nick
>>Ashton-Hart
>>Cc: NA Discuss
>>Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] ALAC Draft Accountability Framework
>>andConflicts of Interest Policy
>>
>>Darlene,
>>
>>The Summit Questionnaire was just finalized and the 15
>>areas of interest cited all relate to information that
>>can readily be found through ICANN's homepage.
>>
>>Sufficient information is out there already for those
>>that care about DNS issues.
>>
>>The answer is not to be found in creating a DNS for
>>Dummies series in which 2 brief pages cover each issue
>>-- if that approach is taken then all you will wind up
>>with is something as useless as the "Guide to the DNS
>>for End Users" that was prepared by an ICANN
>>consultant.
>>
>>Show me one relevant area that an ALS cares about for
>>which sufficient information is lacking.
>>
>>Information is out there for those that wish to seek
>>it out.  You seek to explain ALS non-performance,
>>non-involvement, and non-engagement on the basis of a
>>lack of educational materials.  I don't buy the
>>argument.
>>
>>The truth of the matter is that most ALSs have only a
>>passing interest on an occasional topic; they have no
>>deep commitment to defend those that they purportedly
>>represent.
>>
>>Consider the IPC that aggressively acts to protect the
>>interests of the intellectual property crowd.  By
>>contrast, the bulk of the ALSs have no interest in
>>protecting us -- and that is not something that a
>>Reader's Digest condensed version of an issue will
>>cure.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--- "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson at GOV.NU.CA> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, OF COURSE the registrant community (in the US,
>>> anyways) responded
>>> to the RegisterFly debacle - it hurt their interests
>>> personally.  If
>>> something affects me personally, I read up on it and
>>> respond, as well.
>>> If it doesn't I might not.
>>>
>>> ALSs are generally non-profit organizations run by
>>> people putting in
>>> hugely long numbers of hours dealing with their
>>> work.  They don't sit
>>> behind a desk and have huge amounts of time to go
>>> finding stuff and
>>> working on stuff that doesn't affect them (or their
>>> jobs) directly.  You
>>> must have tons more time at work to read this stuff
>>> than the entire ALS
>>> community put together.  We all have jobs that
>>> actually take up huge
>>> portions of our time/life.
>>>
>>> When the Canadian ALSs signed up, we were told that
>>> easier to digest
>>> information would be soon coming out.  As Nick has
>>> reported there have
>>> been various impediments to this but that it should
>>> "soon" be coming.
>>> Once this is available, then I would suggest that
>>> the NARALO do, maybe,
>>> a weekly informational e-mailing on one subject to
>>> all ALSs - both for
>>> their info and for their web sites.
>>>
>>> In stating, "The problem isn't that ALSs aren't
>>> being properly educated;
>>> the problem is that ALSs are not the at-large.  The
>>> real At-Large cares,
>>> reacts and responds; they don't."  That is really
>>> wrong.  The At-Large
>>> does care - about those issues that affect them.
>>> Comparing them to a
>>> registrant that has just had the plug pulled on
>>> their web site is
>>> completely misleading.
>>>
>>> So, what issues do ALSs care about?  WELL - that's
>>> the information we
>>> need to get out to them.  What is happening that
>>> they should care about?
>>> What response is needed?  Put out information such
>>> as that, and we will
>>> get more input.
>>>
>>> Constant negativity sure won't help, though.
>>>
>>> D
>>>
>>> Darlene A. Thompson
>>> Community Access Program Administrator
>>> Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP
>>> P.O. Box 1000, Station 910
>>> Iqaluit, NU  X0A 0H0
>>> Phone:  (867) 975-5631
>>> Fax:  (867) 975-5610
>>> E-mail:  dthompson at gov.nu.ca
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger at yahoo.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 10:32 AM
>>> To: Thompson, Darlene; Jacqueline A. Morris; Evan
>>> Leibovitch; Nick
>>> Ashton-Hart
>>> Cc: NA Discuss
>>> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] ALAC Draft
>>> Accountability Framework
>>> andConflicts of Interest Policy
>>>
>>> Re:  "How can we punish or even expect anything at
>>> all
>>> out of ALSs that haven't been educated?"
>>>
>>> When these organizations signed up they agreed to
>>> (1) distribute information on ICANN activities and
>>> issues,
>>> (2) enable discussions among their members on the
>>> issues; and
>>> (3) involve their members in relevant ICANN policy
>>> development, discussions and decisions.
>>>
>>> The ICANN website currently contains information on:
>>> a.  accountability and transparency
>>> b.  idn fast-track discussions
>>> c.  mid-term review considerations
>>> d.  the 2007 Annual report
>>> e.  root-server agreements
>>> f.  new gtlds
>>> g.  independent reviews
>>> h.  compliance initiatives
>>> i.  whois issues
>>> j.  the registrar accreditation agreement
>>> k.  nominating committee activities
>>> l.  iPV6
>>>
>>> There are also links to the GNSO Improvements
>>> discussion, the ICANN travel policy considerations,
>>> the translation program, and to a host of other
>>> subjects.
>>>
>>> So I guess what you're saying is we first need to
>>> teach ALSs how to read.  Apparently, they are only
>>> capable of reading an ALS application form, but
>>> nothing else.
>>>
>>> Funny, how registrants that encounter a problem
>>> manage
>>> to read everything under the sun about an issue and
>>> know where to send their complaints and concerns,
>>> yet
>>> ALSs remain clueless.
>>>
>>> Odd that registrants in droves managed to find their
>>> way to the ICANN blog and to the public
>>> participation
>>> sites when the Registerfly mess unfolded, yet ALSs
>>> were absolutely silent.
>>>
>>> The problem isn't that ALSs aren't being properly
>>> educated; the problem is that ALSs are not the
>>> at-large.  The real At-Large cares, reacts and
>>> responds; they don't.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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