[NA-Discuss] [At-Large] ALAC Draft Accountability Framework andConflicts of Interest Policy

[Jeffrey A. Williams]

Danny and all,

  Execellent overview here Danny!  No offense to
you or the ICANN staff, but the Summit Questionnaire
also leaves allot to be desired and/or leaves out 
allot of known and documented existing problems such
as DNS configuration errors.  I am not supprised as
ICANN.ORG itself is misconfigured DNS wise.

  Other than my above, I fully agree with your
remarks and observations below Danny.  DNS for dummys
will do absolutely nothing to solve DNS related problems.
A "Readers Digest Condensed Version" of existing issues
for users review, will do nothing to solve problems and
get users involved, in fact it would have a negitive
impact of users active involvment as to finding solutions
to existing issues and problems such as the IPC's errant
behavior.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Danny Younger <dannyyounger at yahoo.com>
>Sent: Apr 14, 2008 8:29 AM
>To: "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson at GOV.NU.CA>, "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam at jacquelinemorris.com>, Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org>, Nick Ashton-Hart <Nick.Ashton-Hart at icann.org>
>Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] ALAC Draft Accountability Framework	andConflicts of Interest Policy
>
>Darlene,
>
>The Summit Questionnaire was just finalized and the 15
>areas of interest cited all relate to information that
>can readily be found through ICANN's homepage.
>
>Sufficient information is out there already for those
>that care about DNS issues.  
>
>The answer is not to be found in creating a DNS for
>Dummies series in which 2 brief pages cover each issue
>-- if that approach is taken then all you will wind up
>with is something as useless as the "Guide to the DNS
>for End Users" that was prepared by an ICANN
>consultant.
>
>Show me one relevant area that an ALS cares about for
>which sufficient information is lacking.  
>
>Information is out there for those that wish to seek
>it out.  You seek to explain ALS non-performance,
>non-involvement, and non-engagement on the basis of a
>lack of educational materials.  I don't buy the
>argument.  
>
>The truth of the matter is that most ALSs have only a
>passing interest on an occasional topic; they have no
>deep commitment to defend those that they purportedly
>represent.
>
>Consider the IPC that aggressively acts to protect the
>interests of the intellectual property crowd.  By
>contrast, the bulk of the ALSs have no interest in
>protecting us -- and that is not something that a
>Reader's Digest condensed version of an issue will
>cure.
>
> 
>
>
>--- "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson at GOV.NU.CA> wrote:
>
>> Well, OF COURSE the registrant community (in the US,
>> anyways) responded
>> to the RegisterFly debacle - it hurt their interests
>> personally.  If
>> something affects me personally, I read up on it and
>> respond, as well.
>> If it doesn't I might not.
>> 
>> ALSs are generally non-profit organizations run by
>> people putting in
>> hugely long numbers of hours dealing with their
>> work.  They don't sit
>> behind a desk and have huge amounts of time to go
>> finding stuff and
>> working on stuff that doesn't affect them (or their
>> jobs) directly.  You
>> must have tons more time at work to read this stuff
>> than the entire ALS
>> community put together.  We all have jobs that
>> actually take up huge
>> portions of our time/life.
>> 
>> When the Canadian ALSs signed up, we were told that
>> easier to digest
>> information would be soon coming out.  As Nick has
>> reported there have
>> been various impediments to this but that it should
>> "soon" be coming.
>> Once this is available, then I would suggest that
>> the NARALO do, maybe,
>> a weekly informational e-mailing on one subject to
>> all ALSs - both for
>> their info and for their web sites.
>> 
>> In stating, "The problem isn't that ALSs aren't
>> being properly educated;
>> the problem is that ALSs are not the at-large.  The
>> real At-Large cares,
>> reacts and responds; they don't."  That is really
>> wrong.  The At-Large
>> does care - about those issues that affect them. 
>> Comparing them to a
>> registrant that has just had the plug pulled on
>> their web site is
>> completely misleading.
>> 
>> So, what issues do ALSs care about?  WELL - that's
>> the information we
>> need to get out to them.  What is happening that
>> they should care about?
>> What response is needed?  Put out information such
>> as that, and we will
>> get more input.
>> 
>> Constant negativity sure won't help, though.
>> 
>> D
>> 
>> Darlene A. Thompson
>> Community Access Program Administrator
>> Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP
>> P.O. Box 1000, Station 910
>> Iqaluit, NU  X0A 0H0
>> Phone:  (867) 975-5631
>> Fax:  (867) 975-5610
>> E-mail:  dthompson at gov.nu.ca
>>  
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger at yahoo.com] 
>> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 10:32 AM
>> To: Thompson, Darlene; Jacqueline A. Morris; Evan
>> Leibovitch; Nick
>> Ashton-Hart
>> Cc: NA Discuss
>> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] ALAC Draft
>> Accountability Framework
>> andConflicts of Interest Policy
>> 
>> Re:  "How can we punish or even expect anything at
>> all
>> out of ALSs that haven't been educated?"
>> 
>> When these organizations signed up they agreed to 
>> (1) distribute information on ICANN activities and
>> issues, 
>> (2) enable discussions among their members on the
>> issues; and
>> (3) involve their members in relevant ICANN policy
>> development, discussions and decisions.
>> 
>> The ICANN website currently contains information on:
>> a.  accountability and transparency
>> b.  idn fast-track discussions
>> c.  mid-term review considerations
>> d.  the 2007 Annual report
>> e.  root-server agreements
>> f.  new gtlds
>> g.  independent reviews
>> h.  compliance initiatives
>> i.  whois issues
>> j.  the registrar accreditation agreement
>> k.  nominating committee activities
>> l.  iPV6
>> 
>> There are also links to the GNSO Improvements
>> discussion, the ICANN travel policy considerations,
>> the translation program, and to a host of other
>> subjects.
>> 
>> So I guess what you're saying is we first need to
>> teach ALSs how to read.  Apparently, they are only
>> capable of reading an ALS application form, but
>> nothing else.  
>> 
>> Funny, how registrants that encounter a problem
>> manage
>> to read everything under the sun about an issue and
>> know where to send their complaints and concerns,
>> yet
>> ALSs remain clueless.  
>> 
>> Odd that registrants in droves managed to find their
>> way to the ICANN blog and to the public
>> participation
>> sites when the Registerfly mess unfolded, yet ALSs
>> were absolutely silent.  
>> 
>> The problem isn't that ALSs aren't being properly
>> educated; the problem is that ALSs are not the
>> at-large.  The real At-Large cares, reacts and
>> responds; they don't.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>>
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