[NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Results of the Voting for ALAC NominatingCommittee 2008 Appointments

Sun Sep 30 12:14:06 EDT 2007

Danny
I have been out for personal reasons for the past 3 weeks, but am now back
and catching back up. I do not understand your complaint about "removing
candidates from the election roster"
The  RALOs were consulted for names. The ALAC did not bind itself to choose
ONLY from those names or from ALL the names submitted by the RALO ... that
was the role of the regional ALAC members - each region's ALAC MEMBERS
submitted names to the ALAC, and THOSE names submitted by them constituted
the "electoral roster". (Some took the RALO names, some took RALO names and
other suggestions, some took some of the RALO names, left out some and added
other suggestions.) All perfectly legal. 

RALOs are newly formed and we are working to adjust the ALAC processes to
include RALO input. However I have seen a lot that some RALOs (not
necessarily NARALO, so don't get in a snit) are VERY active when it comes to
ALAC procedures, but NOT AT ALL ACTIVE when it comes to the REASON we are
here in the first place - ICANN POLICY.
But as I keep saying ( but people seem not to understand or read my emails?)
is that RALOs have things to do, ALAC has things to do, and they are not the
same, and the RALOs are not to take over ALAC's role, nor is ALAC to take
the RALOs role. Everyone has responsibilities, and it would work so much
better if we agreed on those responsibilities and then did the job rather
than insulting and abusing people who were actually doing what they were
mandated to do!

The term "electoral roster" is also kind of weird to me, as voting isn't
mandated, it is often done in ALAC when we fail to reach consensus, or
sometimes for other reasons. ALAC voted, cause we have a voting tool and as
has happened in the past - we've done consensus, we've done voting.

So - if you disagree with Robert  - if NARALO has a process for recall, you
can engage it. You can also request a change in the NARALO rules (but I
would not at all recommend taking the LACRALO ones in toto as they are
highly restrictive, and I think would dissuade a lot of good people from
running for the position), you can get your reps to suggest a change in the
ALAC rules... there are many  things you can do without insulting staff,
ALAC, our Board Liaison, and the nominees to the NomCom, who I am sure are
all good and intelligent people who will do well. If not, we pick
differently next year!

I would like to suggest that we all move on to more substantive issues -
lots of things need to be done for LA which is almost upon us.

-----Original Message-----
From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 11:58
To: Wendy Seltzer
Cc: At-Large Worldwide; NA Discuss
Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Results of the Voting for ALAC
NominatingCommittee 2008 Appointments

Wendy,

As Robert on the NCUC list has revealed that you were
one of the parties consulted in a process that led to
the removal of a candidate from the voting roster, I
can understand why you might wish to bury the issue.

Sorry, but electoral fraud, an illegal interference
with the process of an election, is a serious matter
that can't just be swept under the carpet like it
never happened.  Removing a candidate from the roster
for no legitimate reason is illegal interference.  It
should not be condoned on the pretext of needing to
move on.

regards,
Danny

--- Wendy Seltzer <wendy at seltzer.com> wrote:

> Danny,
> 
> As you have always been one of the strongest voices
> in counseling us to 
> focus on policy rather than infighting, I hope you
> will also help us to 
> leave behind personal attacks and work with us to
> make the ALAC more 
> responsive to the at-large community.  With work, I
> hope we can minimize 
> such feelings of miscommunication in the future.
> 
> Thanks,
> --Wendy
> 
> Danny Younger wrote:
> > Robert Guerra on the NARALO discussion list has
> > revealed that "Consultations were done with key
> people
> > active on the NA list as well as those in ICANN.
> > Consultations were done privately on a one-to-one
> > basis."
> > 
> > These consultations with "those in ICANN" resulted
> in
> > a duly nominated and confirmed candidate being
> removed
> > from the voting roster.
> > 
> > I find it highly disturbing that elected members
> of
> > the NARALO feel at liberty to consult with "those
> in
> > ICANN" without engaging in any consultation with
> those
> > in the NARALO membership.
> > 
> > Who are "those in ICANN" that were consulted?  Are
> > ICANN Board members or ICANN Staff complicit in a
> > process to rig the ALAC elections?  Or is Robert
> > referring to others?  It is his wish that those
> > consultations remain privileged.
> > 
> > We deserve a full investigation into this matter. 
> I
> > remain of the view that a legitimate candidate was
> > treatly unfairly and that at the very least the
> > Ombudsman should be called in to review this
> matter.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >        
> >
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