[NA-Discuss] Outreach, et al

Thu Sep 20 22:29:02 EDT 2007

Darlene,

Don't think your efforts don't go unappreciated.  I would like to think that
it's our duty as At-Large to keep pressing on toward what we feel is right,
equally as much as it is to disseminate info and seek input.  Change happens
extremely slowly but it is also inevitable.  If we lead by example, then one
day others will see the efforts and strive to also put out equal or greater
effort.  If we take ourselves seriously then maybe one day ICANN as a whole
will also take us seriously and we could also take it seriously.  The
process as a whole is as dysfunctional as it always has been, and as such
with most growing entities, so all we can expect is to be patient and to
speak out at every opportunity.  Even with unlimited resources, things would
still be dysfunctional - let alone when the majority are quasi-volunteers.

For the record, I also think that NARALO should be hosted and accommodated
at LA.  The reasoning is that we were the last RALO to be formed, and we
will continue to be a step behind given our current path.  I feel that
especially at this stage it would be important for this to occur rather than
wait 2 years after the other regional meetings.  My honest thought is that
it would have been more beneficial to meet again rather than wait.  The fact
that we all just attended a meeting and somehow not fair to other RALOs, I
think is irrelevant.  However, I think we still could arrange the summit at
some point and salvage the good thought of properly organizing across the
ALSs.  For this matter, if it were to reach a level of immediate importance
of course we don't need anyone's permission.  It does though help to have
support, which is what we all need in order to progress.  On the other hand,
we also have to understand Nick's position that things must be planned and
budgeted for properly, with many constraints and issues, and with lots of
t's dotted and i's crossed ;)

Cheer up!!
-rj

On 9/20/07, Thompson, Darlene <DThompson at gov.nu.ca> wrote:
>
> Well, no worries.  I'm discouraged by this whole process enough that I
> won't be complaining on this front again.  It will be interesting to see
> when the next "outreach" happens again in the NARALO as I'm sure that
> now it WON'T happen and I am no longer willing to put myself forward for
> all of the sniping.
>
> Good luck,
>
> D
>
> Darlene A. Thompson
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> [mailto:alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Nick
> Ashton-Hart
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:49 AM
> To: Thompson, Darlene
> Cc: At-Large Worldwide
> Subject: Re: [At-Large] Schedule Posted for ICANN's 30th
> InternationalPublicMeeting
>
> Hopefully the email I sent between this one below and the present one
> will help to answer some of these points.
>
> Since the NARALO met only in June, it has of course met in the last
> three years. I presume you are excepting this meeting from
> consideration for whatever reason.
>
> NARALO had opportunities to meet before forming up - most recently
> earlier in the year, only a couple of months before the San Juan
> meeting, and declined the opportunity to do so.
>
> Further, and this is particularly important: ICANN's model is not
> that work gets done at F2F meetings - but the opposite; every other
> community does the vast majority of its work between F2F meetings. It
> isn't sustainable for At-Large to do the reverse of what all other
> communities are in the habit of doing. Civil society groups in ICANN,
> in particular in the NCUC, do a considerable amount of work between
> ICANN meetings and without any travel support at all. My strong
> suggestion to everyone is to look for ways to work without requiring
> face-to-face meetings to the extent that is practicable.
>
> On 19 Sep 2007, at 15:52, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
>
> > Nick,
> >
> > Maybe because now the NARALO will now be going 3 years without a
> > meeting, which the other regions would not be put through, either.
> >
> > NARALO didn't meet before forming up (although LAC got to meet twice);
> > therefore, saving ICANN money.  Now that we did what ICANN wanted and
> > rushed about getting formed up, we are being denied the opportunity
> > and
> > means to do outreach for the next three years (which we asked to be
> > able
> > to do), thereby stagnating.
> >
> > This isn't very encouraging.
> >
> > Darlene
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> > [mailto:alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Nick
> > Ashton-Hart
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 2:13 AM
> > To: RJGlass | America at Large; Evan Leibovitch
> > Cc: Thompson, Darlene; At-Large Worldwide
> > Subject: Re: [At-Large] Schedule Posted for ICANN's 30th
> > InternationalPublic Meeting
> >
> > RJ, why would this surprise you? Why would you expect to be hosted
> > for a
> > NARALO meeting at two ICANN meetings in a row? No other region would
> > receive such treatment; the budget simply doesn't make that possible.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Nick Ashton-Hart
> > Director, At-Large
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> >
> >
> > ----- Original message -----
> > From: "RJGlass | America at Large" <jipshida at gmail.com>
> > To: "Evan Leibovitch" <evan at telly.org>
> > Cc: "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson at gov.nu.ca>, "At-Large Worldwide"
> > <alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:51:35 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [At-Large] Schedule Posted for ICANN's 30th International
> > Public Meeting
> >
> > First, I'm not surprised but I am disturbed that ICANN failed to
> > host a
> > NARALO meeting.
> >
> > Anyway, I presume we'll try to be brief yet functional on these
> > matters.
> >
> > I think when you announce the idea, you should solicit input on
> > what the
> > ALSs want to get out of the summit.  One session on opening day
> > would be
> > good, and one more later in the week, possibly 3 brief meetings
> > would be
> > better than one.
> >
> > aloha,
> > RJ
> >
> > On 9/18/07, Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thompson, Darlene wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm thinking that the sooner the better for the first one so that we
> > can
> >>> all get on the same page and do further planning throughout.
> >>>
> >>> I'm thinking more than one session will be needed.
> >>>
> >>> Anybody else have thoughts on this?
> >>
> >> My suggestion is for at least three things:
> >>
> >> 1) Specific inclusion of a Summit status report and discussion on the
> >> ALAC meeting agenda (whenever that takes place)
> >>
> >> 2) A public meeting to introduce the concept to all ICANN
> > constituencies
> >> (early in the week)
> >>
> >> 3) at least eight hours of planning, of which at least one has Nick
> > (or
> >> someone else from ICANN staff) present. Some of this will probably be
> > a
> >> small enough group that it can meet in a hotel room rather than
> >> requiring the expense of a formal meeting room.
> >>
> >> - Evan
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