[NA-Discuss] [At-Large] FW: Informationonrespectful communication

Mon Oct 29 21:21:16 EDT 2007

To repeat

I did not refer anything to the Ombudsman, as ALAC Chair or as a private
individual. However, if I were to do so as an individual, that would be
confidential  and I wouldn’t have to discuss with anyone.  As Chair, I
continue on the path of asking for respectful communication that has been
ongoing for months. He’s one of the sources that I have checked as experts
in the matter and he sent me info that I passed on. Other  experts have
provided input into the emails I have sent in the past, have provided other
background information, etc. The Ombudsman is an ICANN resource, not only a
tribunal.

And others have indicated to me that they have approached the Ombudsman. I
don’t expect that they will post to this list, as part of the problem is
that they feel oppressed and unable to participate.

You are perfectly within your rights to disagree with anything and
everything on all lists. Just please do it without personal attacks,
disrespect, threatening language, insults etc. As I have been asking for a
while, as is in the NARALO code of conduct, as in the ALAC Rules. I haven’t
indicated in any emails in public  any persons from any region as being
culpable. So this isn’t an anti-NA thing. There is no attempt to muzzle
anyone from expressing their opinion in a respectful and polite manner.
There however is an ongoing attempt to make these lists comfortable for
everyone, from all regions, to express their opinions, to not be afraid to
say what they think. I would hope that as great advocates of free speech, NA
in particular would support actions taken to ensure the rights of all to
participate freely.

And before anyone takes this as proof that I think that this email is any of
those things, I am saying this in a general way. 

Jacqueline

From: Thompson, Darlene [mailto:DThompson at GOV.NU.CA] 
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 17:45
To: jam at jacquelinemorris.com; Robert Guerra; NA Discuss
Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] FW: Informationonrespectful
communication

Jacqueline,

It is still true that you did not get full support from ALAC to go to the
Ombudsman.

Cultural sensitivity goes both ways.  I worded my e-mails as politely as
possible but I sitll had to disagree with what was happening.  I am really
tired of people complaining about the lack of sensitivity from NA people.
If it there were actually any insults or threats then you would be fully
justified in doing what you did just as an individual.  As ALAC Chair, you
did not - not without a quorum from the ALAC - unless you made it clear that
you were doing so as an individual.  Using your power to stifle contrary
view is not appropriate and I refuse to back down from this point.

Therefore, what Robert says, still goes.  I support him 100%.

Darlene

   _____  

From: na-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Jacqueline A.
Morris
Sent: Mon 10/29/2007 8:33 PM
To: 'Robert Guerra'; 'NA Discuss'
Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] FW: Informationonrespectful
communication

Robert

Not at all.

And I told you that in my reply to your private email to me.

Mis-representing what I said is not kosher at all.

I sent some info that was sent to me by Frank after a discussion with
several people about how to improve the respect in online communication. He
is the ICANN expert in this.  This is a follow up to the emails I have sent
previously on list communication.

With regard to who has contacted the Ombudsman to date about emails sent to
the public list (NOT the NARALO list)  - I cannot say, as Ombudsman
referrals are confidential and he hasn’t told me anything about that. Others
have however indicated to me that they have considered approaching or have
approached him about some emails on the public list. I haven’t been informed
by anyone about complaints to him on any communication on the NARALO list to
date.

That is the correct information, and I hope that you will correct any emails
that you have sent out with the erroneous information .

Jacquelin

From: Robert Guerra [mailto:lists at privaterra.info] 
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 17:03
To: NA Discuss
Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] FW: Information onrespectful
communication

As some of you might have seen. it seem that Jacqueline thinks that comments
from myself and others on NA RALO are soo inappropiate that it requires a
referral to the ombudsman for his comment.

Frankly, i'm amazed and shocked. I ask that if you feel strongly on this
that you comment - ASAP.

thanks

Robert

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Begin forwarded message:

From: Robert Guerra <HYPERLINK
"mailto:lists at privaterra.info"lists at privaterra.info>

Date: October 29, 2007 4:59:08 PM PDT

To: At-Large Global List <HYPERLINK
"mailto:alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org"alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>

Subject: Re: [At-Large] FW: Information onrespectful communication

Jacqueline:

Huh ! 

Either don't understand your email, or am so surprised that as outgoing
chair you would take such an action. To be hones, after a productive and
team building day yesterday - you take this bombshell and drop this on us.
i'm frankly shocked ...

I am assuming correctly that differences of opinion are such that you - in
your own personal capacity - are asking the  ombudsman to pass a judgement
on individuals in at-large that are exercising their freedom of speech?

An action such as a referral should be done in consultation with the ALAC,
and not done on your whim. Please seek the support of your peers, to take
such drastic steps.

Might I suggest that - instead - you seek the input of the alac, and see if
indeed we concur with your course of action. If obtain support, fine. If
not, then no course of action - should be obtain.

In summary - I think I speak for many of those on the ALAC in saying, please
seeking clarify your proposed actions. Personally, I think they are most
inappropriate.

regards,

Robert

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Robert Guerra <HYPERLINK
"mailto:rguerra at privaterra.ca"rguerra at privaterra.ca>

Managing Director, Privaterra

Tel +1 416 893 0377

On 29-Oct-07, at 4:01 PM, Jacqueline A. Morris wrote:

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Dear all

As so many of the postings to this list are so disrespectful I have asked
the Ombudsman for his input informally, before he gets brought into it
formally by people who this has affected negatively. He has offered the
following. Please read and attempt to follow some of the  suggestions in the
documents he has sent, so we can all work productively.

Jacqueline

From: frank.fowlie [HYPERLINK
"mailto:frank.fowlie at icann.org"mailto:frank.fowlie at icann.org] 
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 15:51
To: jacqueline Morris
Subject:

wellington comment  from page 6 on

and

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