[NA-Discuss] Getting the WHOIS word out to users

[Brendler, Beau]

anti-privacy?

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	I agree Ross, Finally !!
	
	
	
	On 10/19/07, Ross Rader <ross at tucows.com> wrote: 

		John L wrote:
		
		> Were it to pass, the people who use WHOIS data would
just sue to
		> maintain the status quo.  The position of the US DOC
(the position which
		> matters the most) is quite clear from the requirements
they put in the 
		> .US rebid so ICANN's track record of caving to legal
threats would
		> remain unbroken.
		
		Let them sue. I'm sure my government would love this.
		
		> it's not abuse that the info itself is public. 
		
		No, of course not. But its the accessibility and
anonymity that fosters
		the abuse. Anyways, not really point. The example my
link pointed to was
		of a service that consists of illegitimately scraped
Whois data going 
		back many, many years that now serves to provide contact
information for
		natural persons completely outside of the scope and
purpose for which it
		was originally collected.
		
		> A good place for negotiations to start would be for
the anti-data crowd 
		> to admit that there are indeed legitimate reasons to
use WHOIS info, and
		> there is not a basic right to register a domain.  (If
there were such a
		> right, we wouldn't be charging for them.)  That's been
sorely lacking so 
		> far.
		
		I don't think anyone has ever denied a) nor claimed b).
The issue comes
		down to whether or not those legitimate uses can or
should be
		accommodated through the public Whois system. I don't
see any reason why 
		this is the cause. The ISP and Hosting industries have
proven that it is
		possible to accommodate legitimate uses of customer data
without making
		it publicly accessible on an anonymous basis. Its no
wonder progress has 
		been so difficult on this issue - the starting point for
the
		anti-privacy crowd is simply so outrageous that it can't
be reasonably
		addressed.
		
		
		
		-r
		
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