[NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Revised List of Candidates

[Jacqueline A. Morris]

Evan
First, there was no warning about "potty mouth". I hope that no-one would
even consider obscene language on the list, and it never crossed my mind
that I'd have to warn against that!

There WAS a reminder to keep the discussions civilized and professional
according to the Rules of Procedure adopted by the ALAC after wide and
extensive consultation with the At Large.

The ALAC haven't said anything pro or con about having this or that person
or not, just that we need to create the position according to the Rules! Is
the fact that he was suggested for a position that currently doesn't exist
and we are taking steps to create the position  somehow indicate to you
"However, this is  ALAC, where no good deed goes unpunished. If ALAC won't
have Jon, I suspect that NARALO will.’

This indicates exactly the opposite to me. 

To me, it indicates that the At Large and the ALAC have procedures which we
follow. Transparency and democracy (cherished values in NARALO) require that
the published processes be followed and be seen to be followed, and
positions aren't created from whole cloth to put people into without a
verifiable process.

Or would you prefer that a few of us huddle together, appoint a person and
announce it on the list? When no-one knew that the position was available?
That would not be transparent or democratic. 

And this is NOT pro or con the actual person or persons. 

Stuff like this takes so much time away from actually doing things. The
process is simple. Beau or someone writes a proposal - that the ALAC create
this position, and why. The ALAC discusses and comes to a decision, via
consensus or voting. We tell people - we created (or not) this position. If
we created it, we then say - here's the names suggested. We discuss again ,
come to a decision, via consensus or voting. Won't take more than a couple
weeks max and a few emails. But lately we always have to defend the process,
we have to waste huge amounts of time debating stuff that isn't even
factual. Like saying that "the ALAC won't have Jon" - that isn't a fact,
that's totally premature. The workload has increased 10 fold, and most of it
is irrelevant to getting anything done. And it is turning people off. We
need to stop this sort of thing and focus on getting things done. 

Sincerely
Jacqueline

-----Original Message-----
From: Evan Leibovitch [mailto:evan at telly.org] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 11:06
To: Brendler, Beau
Cc: NA Discuss
Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Revised List of Candidates

[ re-routed from ALAC to the NA list because there have already been
warnings there about being potty mouthed ]


Brendler, Beau wrote:
> I simply intended to try to bring a really bright guy into the fold to be
helpful to the ALAC (and to me), not to create a debate about what his title
should be, procedure, rules, etc.
>   

Couldn't have said it better.

Your efforts to improve At-Large's capacity to make informed judgments
are greatly appreciated in some corners of this community. However, this
is ALAC, where no good deed goes unpunished.

If ALAC won't have Jon, I suspect that NARALO will.

- Evan

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