[NA-Discuss] Fwd: Language

Wed Jun 6 11:02:10 EDT 2007

I wasn’t physically in Sao Paulo, but I do know the LACRALO discussed ISOC
PR joining us long before and there was no objection raised at that time
from the membership. However, as PR is officially (according to the ICANN
regions) in NA, that might have been the legal objection to them
participating in signing the LAC MoU.

So ISOC PR is according to the ICANN regional distribution, officially part
of the NARALO, with all rights and privileges thereof. Unless ICANN moves PR
out of NA and into LAC – which isn’t happening anytime soon.

Translations will be covered. As Nick said, most everything already has to
be translated into Spanish for LAC, and the few NA-specific documents won’t
be that much extra.

Jacqueline

From: Thompson, Darlene [mailto:DThompson at GOV.NU.CA] 
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They were told that “Because of this we could not vote or officially
participate in the final ceremony“.  WHAT?!?!  Where the heck did something
THAT bizarre idea come from???  They are either part of the NARALO with full
privileges like anybody else or not.

Personally, I think that they should get to choose which RALO they would
like to be with although I do understand the thinking of having them as part
of NA since they are part of the US.  If they stick with us then Spanish
would have to be included as one of our official languages.

Nick:  Is there an adequate budget for translations into both French and
Spanish?

D

Darlene A. Thompson

Community Access Program Administrator

Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP

c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910

Iqaluit, NU  X0A 0H0

Phone:  (867) 975-6531

Fax:  (867) 979-8870

dthompson at gov.nu.ca

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ISOC Puerto Rico was invited to Sao Paulo last year to participate and help

during the creation of the LACRALO, which we did. However, at the time of

the final vote to accept the OPs and MOU we were told that ISOC PR had been

approved as an ALS but under NARALO (?). Because of this we could not vote

or officially participate in the final ceremony. We were told that the

decision was made based on the political relationship with the US. Who

knows!?

Nevertheless, we can work with either RALO. The important thing is that we

participate. 

In Puerto Rico we have two official languages - Spanish and English. Since

the motion is to go with official languages in the ALS, then Spanish should

be included. If this is too much of a slippery slope to handle then send us

to the LACRALO and there will be no language issues.

Eduardo Diaz

President

ISOC Puerto Rico

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Actually, they did ask if they could be LACRALO members - LACRALO determined

it had no issue accepting them if they wanted to be - but that was last year

before there was movement on forming the NARALO.

But with regard to languages - if the agreement was for the official

languages of the members of the regions, then, as PR is a member of the

region, Spanish should be included. No matter how many or how few people

speak it.

ICANN did have a consultation going on the regional classification a while

ago -I can check back to see what came of it - I don't recall seeing a

report or anything yet.

Jacqueline

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Jacqueline A. Morris wrote:

Well - from what I remember - feel free to correct - Puerto Rico is

officially bilingual, isn't it? And it is part of NARALO. I leave it up to

the Puerto Rican NARALO member to decide whether to take this forward or

not. I believe that after the meeting in SJ, there will be more ALS

applicants from PR, so maybe then they can call for Spanish if they want to.

Well, then you open the issue of why there should be a RALO with only

three participating jurisdictions.

Funny, elswehere in the world the RALO boundaries are drawn on

continental boundaries. Newcomers can only wonder about the politics

behind the decision to keep the Caribbean and Mexico out of North

America on ICANN's globe.

Of course, one other option is to ask the Puerto Rican ALSs if they'd

prefer to be part of the LAC-RALO

- Evan

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