[NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Budget provisions relating to DomainTasting

Sun Jul 8 20:03:29 EDT 2007

What is the real justification of 7% "raw material pricing" increase?  Does
it make sense in this context?

On 7/8/07, Roberto Gaetano <roberto at icann.org> wrote:
>
> No, what I find odd is the inqualifiable justification of a further $1.58
> increase in pure profit blamed on an ICANN Board decision.
>
> I do not find odd that commercial companies do their business, I find odd
> that a self appointed champion of the user interests justifies an
> unjustifiable 31% increase in end user prices based on a 7% raw material
> prices.
>
> Anyway, I find it odd, but I wonder why I am not surprised.
>
> Regards
> Roberto
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: 09 July 2007 01:33
> > To: Roberto Gaetano; 'Michael Maranda'; 'At-Large Worldwide';
> > na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> > Subject: RE: [At-Large] [NA-Discuss] Budget provisions
> > relating to DomainTasting
> >
> > Re:  "It is again odd that a raise of full $2.00 can be
> > justified in this way."
> >
> > Sorry, but why do you think that this is odd?
> >
> > Board members know the Redemption Grace Period Fee charged by
> > Registries is set at $40, and that many registrars will
> > charge well in excess of 4X markup -- eNom is at $160, while
> > some hosting companies charge as much as $260.
> >
> > Registrar markup of the 42 cent fee increase is to be
> > expected.  A 4X markup would raise a registrar price by
> > $1.68, and higher markups could easily raise it over $2.00.
> >
> > Was the Board so blinded to reality that they thought that
> > registrars would either eat or simply pass along the 42
> > cents?  Markup is part of normal business.  You shouldn't find it odd.
> >
> > What you should find odd is the miserable justifications that
> > were given by Board members for screwing the public with an
> > unjustified price increase.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Roberto Gaetano <roberto at icann.org> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > First of all, I am sure that Alan knows about the details of Domain
> > > Tasting, since in the ALAC mailing lists this problem has
> > been rased
> > > since months, an issue report has been requested by ALAC,
> > and Alan is
> > > in the GNSO team who is in charge for further fact finding.
> > >
> > > This said, the fact that domain tasting bring an increase
> > in "regular"
> > > registrations is exactly the evidence brought by domainers
> > and domain
> > > tasters/kiters to justify the practice. It is at least odd that the
> > > same phenomenon is brought up in this discussion. Being
> > paranoiac by
> > > nature, I tend to pay attention to coincidences.
> > >
> > > Last but not least, the price increase is orthogonal to
> > this issue, as
> > > it comes from the 7% increase that registries (not
> > > ICANN!) will apply. This
> > > increase accounts for a grand total of .42 USD, "autrement dit" 42
> > > cents of US$. It is again odd that a raise of full $2.00 can be
> > > justified in this way, and it is at least suspicious that a
> > long time
> > > militant omits to remark that the issues are separated and that a
> > > raise of such extent is not justified.
> > >
> > > Incidentally, relevant ICANN staff in copy to craft
> > appropriate follow
> > > up to AIT Domains, thanks Danny for pointing out media clip.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Roberto
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> > > > [mailto:alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On
> > > Behalf Of
> > > > Danny Younger
> > > > Sent: 08 July 2007 21:27
> > > > To: Michael Maranda; At-Large Worldwide;
> > > > na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [At-Large] [NA-Discuss] Budget
> > > provisions
> > > > relating to DomainTasting
> > > >
> > > > Re:  The small increase may seem trivial, but the
> > > principle
> > > > is more important.
> > > >
> > > > The price increase (which won't go into effect
> > > until October
> > > > 15) is not trivial -- registrars are already
> > > raising their
> > > > prices in anticipation of the price
> > > > increase:
> > > >
> > > > "AIT Domains says that under the promotion all
> > > domain names
> > > > will cost $6.49 until July 6. However, due to
> > > recently
> > > > announced price increases from ICANN, AIT Domains
> > > says it's
> > > > being forced to raise its prices.
> > > > Rates are currently scheduled to go up to $8.49
> > > per
> > > > registration year on July 9."
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > http://www.thewhir.com/marketwatch/070307_AIT_Holds_Fourth_of_
> > > July_Special.cfm
> > > >
> > > > What's more important than all of this is the
> > > issue of bad
> > > > decision-making on the part of the unaccountable
> > > ICANN Board.
> > > >  The Internet community has no way of "throwing
> > > the bums out"
> > > > because ICANN remains accountable to no one.
> > > >
> > > > Until this problem is solved it really doesn't
> > > much matter
> > > > what the community consensus is on the AGP or
> > > anything
> > > > else... ICANN remains free to ignore the voice of
> > > the people.
> > > >
> > > > Presently, ICANN profits from the consequences of
> > > domain
> > > > tasting... the more names that are tasted, the
> > > more names
> > > > that will eventually be registered as some of
> > > these names can
> > > > successfully be monetized.  Profits for the
> > > registries,
> > > > profits for the registrars, profits for ICANN...
> > > there were
> > > > about 16 million new registrations last year (a
> > > good chunk of
> > > > them the direct result of tasting activities).
> > > >
> > > > Don't expect to prevail on this issue without
> > > putting up a
> > > > spectacular fight and screaming for action at
> > > every
> > > > opportunity -- convincing a corporation to kill a
> > > lucrative
> > > > cash cow can only be an uphill battle.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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