<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">Hi Eduardo.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">This is an informal outcome of my original comments about domaining, and last month's NARALO talk that stemmed from them.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">I had inferred that it's been easy for other constituencies to demean At-Large's viewpoint, a "who the hell are you?" attitude which asserts that the 15 people on ALAC -- and even by extension, the entire RALO/ALS infrastructure -- does not properly (or adequately) speak for "the billions" who are impacted by ICANN's decisions. If they don't like our views, they counter-argue lack of standing and relevance. If they agree with us, they stay silent.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">Since leaving my main volunteer roles in At-Large some years ago, I have advocated that At-Large really has only two functions at which it can be effective -- public education and research. Education to make sure that end-users are aware of what is happening that affects them, and research that enables ALAC's policy work to accurately reflect global end-user needs and attitudes rather than just guess. So far, AFAIR there has been only one decent global survey by ICANN of this kind, done for the Consumer Choice and Competition Review Team (which Jonathan chaired). The survey's questions were mainly written by contracted parties, biased to justify the TLD expansion rather than address end-user needs. At some point in the discussion thread started by my recent plea for end-user-centric research, Jonathan agreed that such a project would be a good idea. (and by "end-user-centric" I mean independent surveys for which ALAC creates the questions and has staff support in analysing the resulting data),</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">It's still a good idea. I'm suggesting that NARALO float the desire to do such research during the current budget solicitations, and I'm gratified that Jonathan and you agree. Great point about ISOC co-sponsoring.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">I'm fully aware that a survey of trustworthy quality would be expensive -- surely beyond the allocation for all RALO budget requests combined -- but we have to start somewhere. At least to me, ALAC's credibility as a reliable channel for the global end-user is at stake. I would be happy to put my time where my mouth is and get re-involved, should such an idea be entertained by ICANN.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">Cheers,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><font color="#0b5394"><br></font></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="text-align:center"><div style="text-align:left"><font color="#0b5394">Evan Leibovitch, <span style="font-size:12.8px">Toronto Canada</span></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font color="#0b5394"><span style="font-size:12.8px">@evanleibovitch / </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">@el56</span></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 at 05:38, Eduardo Diaz <<a href="mailto:eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com">eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif" size="4"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Can one of you explain some of the details of the research? </span>I would definitively support such a project. We can propose it and see where it takes us. Also, we can explore getting matching funds from ISOC. </font></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif" size="4"><br></font></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif" size="4">-ed</font></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 6:36 PM Jonathan Zuck <<a href="mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org" target="_blank">JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div dir="ltr">On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 at 00:47, Judith Hellerstein <<a href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com" target="_blank">judith@jhellerstein.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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HI Naraloers,<br>
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Hope all are well and safe. I just wanted to remind all Naralo Members that it <br>
is now time to think of a special program or special request that you would like <br>
to conduct in the next fiscal year. Each year ICANN has an fund where they <br>
grant budget to certain program. This is how we had funded the Indigenous <br>
Fellowship Program, the Real Time Captioning Project and some other training. <br>
Now is that time of year. If you have some program that you would like to do, <br>
please suggest it and also fill out the template.. The timelines are listed <br>
here, <br>
<a href="https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+FY22+Budget+Development+Workspace" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+FY22+Budget+Development+Workspace</a>
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Although the ICANN wide date for submission is January 29, At Large has its own <br>
process and according to this timeline we need to have all requests in by <br>
January 8, 2021. These requests will then be vetted by the Finance and Budget <br>
sub Committee and then if approved will go on to staff to submit the form on our <br>
behalf.<br>
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On the Wiki pages linked to there is a copy of the application. Please try and <br>
fill it out as completely as possible. I would suggest you refer to the ICANN <br>
Strategic plan and also the goals and objectives since the ICANN Board will have <br>
to approve it. If you can show how your proposal meets some of the main goals <br>
and objectives your proposal will have a better chance of success.<br>
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Let me know if you have any questions on this process or have other info you <br>
would like cleared up.<br>
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If you look at last years proposals, you can get some kind of idea of how to put <br>
together a proposal. Granted many were not successful but it gives you an idea<br>
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Happy to help out with any questions<br>
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Best,<br>
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