<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">I don't think I've heard the term "libertarian" used to describe my views on anything.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">I wouldn't confuse my indifference with an explicit stand against regulation or gaining consensus. In my perfect world. popular geo names might be run by foundations that can accommodate the needs of any present or future use of the name. So flipping my previous example, I am against giving .cordoba to the richest or fastest applicant, to the detriment of other locations with the same name. But that's part of a deeper problem I have with ICANN's re-invention of the way that words can be privately owned.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">Compare the way domain names are allocated to the way trademarks are done:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">- if you don't use it, you lose it</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">- applications for trademarks can be rejected for strings that are too generic or are in common use by others<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">A discussion of this goes far deeper to the core of what I think is fundamentally wrong with the way ICANN works, but geonames is one of the use cases where ICANN's model really shows its weaknesses. IMO there are no good answers using the current rules, and I guess I might actually prefer to go full anti-libertarian and say that a geoTLD can't be allocated without approval of all entities currently using the name.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">Now, that's my view -- but it's not IMO one worth fighting for because the whole allocation regime is a corrupt systematic mess anyway, and any sensible approach will be gamed to death. As you know I think the whole global demand for "memorable" domain names is overblown in these days of apps and QR codes and search engines, so my only real remaining concerns are in harm (ie, abuse) minimization.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">I'll put these views into the survey as best as I can. As for the questions that ask "is this scenario likely?", I'm at a loss to answer because I can't read the minds of those who spend their livelihoods thinking of ways to stretch boundaries to their limits and beyond.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">- Evan<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 13:56, Jonathan Zuck <<a href="mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org">JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div lang="EN-US">
<div class="gmail-m_-5541334856166129249WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, I didn’t catch that. Evin, let’s make sure and change option 2 to “Bad.”<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">EvAn, remember this is not about second level domains. It’s about first. So .ALPS, .MARA, .EUGENE, etc. You might still not care but I wanted to clarify. There ARE questions in there that would reveal your more libertarian view on the topic,
for sure.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<div style="border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">NA-Discuss <<a href="mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>> on behalf of Evan Leibovitch <<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org" target="_blank">evan@telly.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 10:51 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Eduardo Diaz <<a href="mailto:eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com" target="_blank">eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>NA Discuss <<a href="mailto:na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: [CPWG] Your Valuable Input Requested - At-Large GeoNames Survey<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">I think there's a flaw in the survey.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">The range of "goodness"measured for a few scenarios is<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">1 - Very bad<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">2 - Not bad<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">3 - Neural/don't care<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">4 - Good<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">5 Very good<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">At least in the way I use the terms .... "not bad" is equivalent to "good", so choice 2 and 4 are identical.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">I think you mean that choice 2 should just be "Bad"<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmail-m_-5541334856166129249gmaildefault"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">FWIW, I personally don't care at all about protecting geo names except for within the ccTLDs of where those names are located. I'm fine with protecting
both <a href="http://cordoba.es" target="_blank">cordoba.es</a> and <a href="http://cordoba.ar" target="_blank">
cordoba.ar</a>, but I don't care at all what happens to cordoba.anythingelse and don't believe they need to ask permission.</span></span>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Not sure how that sentiment gets conveyed in the survey.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 17:35, Eduardo Diaz <<a href="mailto:eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com" target="_blank">eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204);border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">For those of you that follow/participate the
<a href="https://atlarge.icann.org/working_groups/consolidated-policy-working-group-cpwg" target="_blank">
CPWG</a> (</span><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">work please fill out the following survey.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Thanks.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">-ed</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>
From: <strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Evin Erdogdu</span></strong> <<a href="mailto:evin.erdogdu@icann.org" target="_blank">evin.erdogdu@icann.org</a>><br>
Date: Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 7:54 AM<br>
Subject: [CPWG] Your Valuable Input Requested - At-Large GeoNames Survey<br>
To: <a href="mailto:cpwg@icann.org" target="_blank">cpwg@icann.org</a> <<a href="mailto:cpwg@icann.org" target="_blank">cpwg@icann.org</a>><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<div>
<p style="background:white none repeat scroll 0% 0%"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Dear All,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="background:white none repeat scroll 0% 0%"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="background:white none repeat scroll 0% 0%"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Following up from the
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/4xyJBw" title="https://community.icann.org/x/4xyJBw
Cmd+Click or tap to follow the link" target="_blank">
Single Issue Call on SubPro GeoNames</a> yesterday, please take a few minutes to provide valuable input via the At-Large GeoNames Survey:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="background:white none repeat scroll 0% 0%"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="background:white none repeat scroll 0% 0%"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black"><a href="https://forms.gle/r4jKyCzWtAXXdX3o7" target="_blank">https://forms.gle/r4jKyCzWtAXXdX3o7</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="background:white none repeat scroll 0% 0%"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="background:white none repeat scroll 0% 0%"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">The results of the survey may be discussed on the follow-up Single Issue Call on SubPro GeoNames, to be scheduled in the near future.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="background:white none repeat scroll 0% 0%"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="background:white none repeat scroll 0% 0%"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Thank you,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="background:white none repeat scroll 0% 0%"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Evin<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>
CPWG mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:CPWG@icann.org" target="_blank">CPWG@icann.org</a><br>
<a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg</a><br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (<a href="https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy</a>)
and the website Terms of Service (<a href="https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos</a>). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style
delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all">
<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal">-- <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">NOTICE:</span></b> This email may contain information which is confidential and/or subject to legal privilege, and is intended for the use of the named addressee only. If you are not the
intended recipient, you must not use, disclose or copy any part of this email. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal">------<br>
NA-Discuss mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br>
<a href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss" target="_blank">https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss</a><br>
<br>
Visit the NARALO online at <a href="http://www.naralo.org" target="_blank">http://www.naralo.org</a><br>
------<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (<a href="https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy</a>)
and the website Terms of Service (<a href="https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos</a>). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style
delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.<u></u><u></u></p>
</blockquote>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all">
<br>
-- <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Evan Leibovitch, <span style="font-size:9.5pt">Toronto Canada</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">@evanleibovitch or @el56</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="text-align:center"><div style="text-align:left">Evan Leibovitch, <span style="font-size:12.8px">Toronto Canada</span></div><div style="text-align:left"><span style="font-size:12.8px">@evanleibovitch or </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">@el56</span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>