<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I see a decision has just come down that might affect this case, if Neustar extends the same policy to ,nyc.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><a href="http://www.circleid.com/posts/20180913_seven_dirty_words_restriction_policy_lifted_from_dot_us_domain/">http://www.circleid.com/posts/20180913_seven_dirty_words_restriction_policy_lifted_from_dot_us_domain/</a><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 11:09 PM, <a href="mailto:gbruen@knujon.com">gbruen@knujon.com</a> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gbruen@knujon.com" target="_blank">gbruen@knujon.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <div class="m_8812311429779635646moz-cite-prefix">This does not surprise me<div><div class="h5"><br>
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      On 2/20/17 6:10 PM, Joly MacFie wrote:<br>
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          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">​I have
            just been contacted by the former registrant of <a href="http://fucked.nyc" target="_blank">fucked.nyc</a>.</div>
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          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">He
            registered it via <a href="http://namecheap.com" target="_blank">namecheap.com</a>​ on March 3
            2015 and renewed it earlier this week.</div>
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          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">On Feb 18
            2017 he received a msg from Neustar informing him that it
            had been found non-compliant with the "<span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">Seven Word
              Policy" and deleted. Neustar advised him to contact his
              registrar for any refunds they might care to make.</span></div>
          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><br>
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          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">He contacted
              NameCheap who essentially said "Forgettaboutit'", despite
              him pointing out that at no time had he been notified
              about, or agreed to be bound by, any such policy. </span></div>
          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><br>
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          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">Here is
              NameCheap's response:</span></div>
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          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><i><font style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Recently, you contacted
                our Live Chat support regarding deletion of<a href="http://fucked.nyc/" target="_blank">fucked.nyc</a>. Feel free to use chat
                ID XQR-359-35382 for reference.</font><font style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"><br>
              </font><font style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">We wanted to let you
                know, that we have forwarded a suggestion about special
                notices for .NYC domains to the corresponding team.</font><font style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"><br>
              </font><font style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">We are really sorry
                that you faced such a situation and our replies were not
                so helpful. Different Registry companies can have
                different policies in regards of registration their
                domains and they usually reserve a right to change their
                requirements or delete domains which do not meet them.</font><font style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"><br>
              </font><font style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">This does not happen
                often, still it is not possible to keep customers
                informed about all the Registry policies or their
                changes on a contant manner, to our regret.</font><font style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"><br>
              </font><font style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">The amount you paid for
                the domain purchase was used to register/renew the
                domain at the .NYC Registry. However, the Registry still
                can delete domains without any refund if they do not
                meet their requirements. We are working on improving our
                performance and hopefully special messages on the site
                can help to avoid such situations in future.</font><font style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"><br>
              </font><font style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">If you have questions
                or require assistance, feel free to contact us at any
                time.</font></i><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><br>
            </span></div>
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          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">​The
            registrant did some further research and surmised that​
            Neustar's vigilance could well be due to my <a href="http://isoc-ny.org/misc/2017-02-06_isoc-ny_dotnyc.pdf" target="_blank">Feb
              6 letter</a> pointing out they were asleep at the wheel.
            It appeared to him the <a href="http://www.ownit.nyc/restricted-reserved" target="_blank">relevant
              page</a> had been hurriedly updated. Since, apparently he
            has other domains that might also be considered variants on
            the 7 words, he got back on to Neustar for some
            clarification, demanded to see a list. 'Guy' at Neustar
            support informed him that nothing of the like existed - that
            it was decided on case by case basis - and to add insult to
            injury sany deleted restricted names might, as policies
            change, be released and sold to the highest bidder without
            any recourse for the original registrant.</div>
          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
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          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Thus he
            writes</div>
          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><i><br>
            </i></div>
          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">
            <div style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><i>I have
                concluded that all of my .nyc domain names (more than
                20) were registered without binding terms or a policy of
                any kind on behalf of Namecheap or Neustar / <a href="http://ownit.nyc/" target="_blank">ownit.nyc</a>, and I suspect that this
                is a case for a large percentage of sold .nyc domains.
                Yet my domain name was seized for a breach of policy, a
                policy I was never introduced to nor agreed to. If any
                of my other names are added to the list, they can seize
                it at any time, despite the fact that I've owned them
                for 2 years now.<br>
              </i></div>
            <div style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><i><br>
              </i></div>
            <div style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><i>The
                greatest ethical concern I have is that an entity
                operating in this way reserves the right to put a domain
                name on the reserved/restricted list at any point in
                time, even if it was already sold and owned for 2 years.
                I was informed by "Guy" at Neustar support that there is
                a possibility reserved/restricted names will be released
                in the future, however they are released back to the
                public (they go back up for sale), not to the original
                owner. I have many .nyc domain names that appear as
                variations according to their list.</i></div>
            <div style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><i><br>
              </i></div>
            <div style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><i>Where is
                the oversight? Who is to prevent Neustar from seizing a
                domain name for a period of time, then conveniently
                releasing it later only to buy it themselves using an
                alias or through a third party?</i></div>
            <div style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><i><br>
              </i></div>
            <div style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><snip></div>
            <div style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><i><br>
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            <div style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><i>It just doesn't seem right.
                  If Neustar was unable to properly inform name holders
                  on policy creations, changes, and updates in the past
                  5 years on city tax dollars, I don't think they should
                  operate for another second. It shouldn't take a
                  committee to generate a "no", I think their shady
                  track record in the past 5 years speaks for itself.
                  And this being New York City, we deserve better.</i></span><i><br>
              </i></div>
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          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">​I've
            responded to him, noting that 7 word policy is in the City's
            .nyc contract (appears to have been published April 1 2015​,
            and the .nyc Acceptable Use Policy (which doesn't mention
            that policy but says they can delete at will) has been
            public since July 2014. Caveat emptor. I noted that Neustar
            is obligated to file copies of Registrar Registry Agreements
            with the City, and he could FOIL it to see if NameCheap had
            met their obligations. I also opined that, in the unlikely
            event  Neustar were to resell a previously deleted name,
            they would be asking for trouble,</div>
          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
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          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">However I
            think he rightfully raises the wider issue of the right of
            registrants to be properly informed of restrictive gTLD
            policies before they put their money on the line. Is there
            something like that in existing policy?</div>
          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
          </div>
          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">And also,
            to possibly the wider amusement of schoolboys etc, maybe
            ICANN or somebody should perhaps maintain a definitive
            reference of unacceptable variants of the 7 words.</div>
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          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">​joly</div>
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          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">​</div>
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