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<p>Joly,<br>
Fascinating article. Thanks for sharing. It has many impacts <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/21/2018 12:41 PM, Joly MacFie
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I see a
decision has just come down that might affect this case, if
Neustar extends the same policy to ,nyc.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"><a
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moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.circleid.com/posts/20180913_seven_dirty_words_restriction_policy_lifted_from_dot_us_domain/</a><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 11:09 PM, <a
href="mailto:gbruen@knujon.com" moz-do-not-send="true">gbruen@knujon.com</a>
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gbruen@knujon.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gbruen@knujon.com</a>></span>
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<div class="m_8812311429779635646moz-cite-prefix">This
does not surprise me
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On 2/20/17 6:10 PM, Joly MacFie wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:small">I have just been
contacted by the former registrant of <a
href="http://fucked.nyc" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">fucked.nyc</a>.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:small">He registered it via <a
href="http://namecheap.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">namecheap.com</a> on
March 3 2015 and renewed it earlier this week.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:small">On Feb 18 2017 he
received a msg from Neustar informing him that
it had been found non-compliant with the "<span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">Seven
Word Policy" and deleted. Neustar advised
him to contact his registrar for any refunds
they might care to make.</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:small"><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><br>
</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:small"><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">He
contacted NameCheap who essentially said
"Forgettaboutit'", despite him pointing out
that at no time had he been notified about,
or agreed to be bound by, any such policy. </span></div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:small"><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><br>
</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:small"><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">Here
is NameCheap's response:</span></div>
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style="font-size:small"><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:small"><i><font
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"
face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Recently,
you contacted our Live Chat support
regarding deletion of<a
href="http://fucked.nyc/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">fucked.nyc</a>.
Feel free to use chat ID XQR-359-35382 for
reference.</font><font
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"
face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"><br>
</font><font
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"
face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">We wanted
to let you know, that we have forwarded a
suggestion about special notices for .NYC
domains to the corresponding team.</font><font
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px" face="Verdana, Arial,
Helvetica"><br>
</font><font
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"
face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">We are
really sorry that you faced such a
situation and our replies were not so
helpful. Different Registry companies can
have different policies in regards of
registration their domains and they
usually reserve a right to change their
requirements or delete domains which do
not meet them.</font><font
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"
face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"><br>
</font><font
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"
face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">This does
not happen often, still it is not possible
to keep customers informed about all the
Registry policies or their changes on a
contant manner, to our regret.</font><font
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px" face="Verdana, Arial,
Helvetica"><br>
</font><font
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"
face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">The
amount you paid for the domain purchase
was used to register/renew the domain at
the .NYC Registry. However, the Registry
still can delete domains without any
refund if they do not meet their
requirements. We are working on improving
our performance and hopefully special
messages on the site can help to avoid
such situations in future.</font><font
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"
face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"><br>
</font><font
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"
face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">If you
have questions or require assistance, feel
free to contact us at any time.</font></i><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><br>
</span></div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:small">The registrant did
some further research and surmised that
Neustar's vigilance could well be due to my <a
href="http://isoc-ny.org/misc/2017-02-06_isoc-ny_dotnyc.pdf"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Feb 6
letter</a> pointing out they were asleep at
the wheel. It appeared to him the <a
href="http://www.ownit.nyc/restricted-reserved"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">relevant
page</a> had been hurriedly updated. Since,
apparently he has other domains that might
also be considered variants on the 7 words, he
got back on to Neustar for some clarification,
demanded to see a list. 'Guy' at Neustar
support informed him that nothing of the like
existed - that it was decided on case by case
basis - and to add insult to injury sany
deleted restricted names might, as policies
change, be released and sold to the highest
bidder without any recourse for the original
registrant.</div>
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style="font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:small">Thus he writes</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:small"><i><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:small">
<div
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><i>I
have concluded that all of my .nyc domain
names (more than 20) were registered
without binding terms or a policy of any
kind on behalf of Namecheap or Neustar / <a
href="http://ownit.nyc/" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">ownit.nyc</a>,
and I suspect that this is a case for a
large percentage of sold .nyc domains. Yet
my domain name was seized for a breach of
policy, a policy I was never introduced to
nor agreed to. If any of my other names
are added to the list, they can seize it
at any time, despite the fact that I've
owned them for 2 years now.<br>
</i></div>
<div
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><i><br>
</i></div>
<div
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><i>The
greatest ethical concern I have is that an
entity operating in this way reserves the
right to put a domain name on the
reserved/restricted list at any point in
time, even if it was already sold and
owned for 2 years. I was informed by "Guy"
at Neustar support that there is a
possibility reserved/restricted names will
be released in the future, however they
are released back to the public (they go
back up for sale), not to the original
owner. I have many .nyc domain names that
appear as variations according to their
list.</i></div>
<div
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><i><br>
</i></div>
<div
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><i>Where
is the oversight? Who is to prevent
Neustar from seizing a domain name for a
period of time, then conveniently
releasing it later only to buy it
themselves using an alias or through a
third party?</i></div>
<div
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><i><br>
</i></div>
<div
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><snip></div>
<div
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><i><br>
</i></div>
<div
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><span
style="font-size:12.8px"><i>It just
doesn't seem right. If Neustar was
unable to properly inform name holders
on policy creations, changes, and
updates in the past 5 years on city tax
dollars, I don't think they should
operate for another second. It shouldn't
take a committee to generate a "no", I
think their shady track record in the
past 5 years speaks for itself. And this
being New York City, we deserve better.</i></span><i><br>
</i></div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:small">I've responded to
him, noting that 7 word policy is in the
City's .nyc contract (appears to have been
published April 1 2015, and the .nyc
Acceptable Use Policy (which doesn't mention
that policy but says they can delete at will)
has been public since July 2014. Caveat
emptor. I noted that Neustar is obligated to
file copies of Registrar Registry Agreements
with the City, and he could FOIL it to see if
NameCheap had met their obligations. I also
opined that, in the unlikely event Neustar
were to resell a previously deleted name, they
would be asking for trouble,</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:small">However I think he
rightfully raises the wider issue of the right
of registrants to be properly informed of
restrictive gTLD policies before they put
their money on the line. Is there something
like that in existing policy?</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:small">And also, to possibly
the wider amusement of schoolboys etc, maybe
ICANN or somebody should perhaps maintain a
definitive reference of unacceptable variants
of the 7 words.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:small">joly</div>
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