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    <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">I totally agree. My
        experience with webex and zoom have not been great. There have
        been audio problems requiring use of both phone and computer
        interface (to see the slides) -- which causes all kinds of extra
        work for staff and chairs and sometimes feels like enhanced
        teleconferencing for the participants. Neither platform is very
        intuitive and people, myself included, seem to have trouble figuring
        how to do basic things like mute/unmute, raise hand, etc. <br>
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    <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">So I would be very
        happy to see a return to Adobe as our basic platform although I
        don't know whether "hardened" Adobe will look a bit different.<br>
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    <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">My hat is off to staff
        and meeting chairs who have been struggling with this change. <br>
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    <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Marita Moll</font><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/21/2018 6:47 AM, Holly Raiche
      wrote:<br>
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      I, for one, would be happy to go back to Adobe - I have had real
      difficulties with webex - I just couldn’t access it.  And I miss
      having the visibility of the text, the sound of the speaker and
      the availability of chat (both public and private
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      <div>Holly<br>
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          <div>On 21 Apr 2018, at 4:20 am, Judith Hellerstein <<a
              href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com"
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              <div>Hi All,</div>
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              <div>Very interesting blog by Ash Rangan.  Forwarding this
                email widely so others could read it and discuss it.</div>
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              <div>Best,</div>
              <div>Judith</div>
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                Sent from my iPad<span style="font-size: 13pt;"> </span>
                <div><span style="font-size: 13pt;"><a
                      href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com"
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                      moz-do-not-send="true">judith@jhellerstein.com</a> </span></div>
                <div><span style="font-size: 13pt;">Skype
                    ID:JudithHellerstein</span></div>
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                Begin forwarded message:<br>
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              <blockquote type="cite"><b>From:</b><span
                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Nathalie
                Peregrine <<a
                  href="mailto:nathalie.peregrine@icann.org"
                  style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">nathalie.peregrine@icann.org</a>><br>
                <b>Date:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>April
                20, 2018 at 2:16:27 PM EDT<br>
                <b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>"<a
                  href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"
                  style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a>"
                <<a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"
                  style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a>><br>
                <b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>[Ccwg-auctionproceeds]
                  ADOBE CONNECT – WHAT NEXT? - ICANN Blog By Ash Rangan</b><br>
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                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><a
                      name="_MailOriginalBody" moz-do-not-send="true">Dear
                      all:<o:p></o:p></a></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span> <o:p></o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span>Please take
                      a look at this blog on Adobe Connect.  And note
                      the request:<o:p></o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span> <o:p></o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><b>Before
                        we make these changes, we want to hear from you.
                        What do you think? Please submit your thoughts
                        on this contemplated move before May 2nd here:<span
                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><a
                      href="mailto:RP-tool@icann.org" style="color:
                      purple; text-decoration: underline;"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><span><b>RP-tool@icann.org</b></span><span></span></a><span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><b> </b><o:p></o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span>Best
                      regards,        David<o:p></o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span> <o:p></o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span> <o:p></o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span></span><a
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_news_blog_adobe-2Dconnect-2Dwhat-2Dnext&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=UHqgHAAbiJp4NHOIUqHcg1Y57R0_ZBkAKlNnZW-FMt4&s=lFkfL9p571e1ygGDpMHtzFBnK57qJfDmiC0yWwyGwII&e="
                      style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><span>https://www.icann.org/news/blog/adobe-connect-what-next[icann.org]</span><span></span></a><span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span> <o:p></o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><b>ADOBE
                        CONNECT – WHAT NEXT?</b><o:p></o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span>As you
                      know, the ICANN organization took down its Adobe
                      Connect service midway through the ICANN61 meeting
                      in response to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_news_blog_issues-2Dwith-2Dadobe-2Dconnect-2Dat-2Dicann61&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=UHqgHAAbiJp4NHOIUqHcg1Y57R0_ZBkAKlNnZW-FMt4&s=iO8NyGh9T2oO7mc2eo1jcmmpFO-uSsIlTLqKsypb0qM&e="
                      style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><span>reported
                        issues[icann.org]</span><span></span></a><span><span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>with this
                      service. Concurrently, we began to conduct our own
                      forensic analysis of the reported incident and
                      began working with our Adobe cloud service
                      provider, CoSo Cloud LLC, and through them with
                      Adobe to learn more. Shortly thereafter, we rolled
                      out instances of Zoom and WebEx for the community
                      to support remote participation (RP) and
                      collaboration. Here's where we are now:<o:p></o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><b> </b><o:p></o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><b>The
                        Forensics Investigation</b><o:p></o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span>With
                      respect to our forensics work, we received
                      application logfiles from CoSo Cloud, going back
                      for a period of one year. ICANN Engineering and
                      Security teams have examined these application log
                      files and the results of our investigation clearly
                      show "fingerprints of incursion" by the researcher
                      who reported the issue. We were unable to find any
                      other indication that anyone else either
                      identified or exploited this issue. Thanks to the
                      person who found the bug again.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span>Working
                      closely with CoSo Cloud, we were able to recreate
                      the reported issue, and understand the conditions
                      required to trigger it. This information has been
                      communicated to Adobe, and Adobe is working on a
                      software fix to address the root cause of the
                      issue.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span>We have
                      also been working with CoSo on options to
                      re-enable Adobe Connect in the shorter term. We
                      have determined there are two viable paths to
                      accomplish this goal. They are:<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                    <li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in
                      0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                      sans-serif;"><span>Deploy a hardened configuration
                        to eliminate "man-in-the-middle" exploitations
                        by encrypting relevant traffic, or<o:p></o:p></span></li>
                    <li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in
                      0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                      sans-serif;"><span>Implement a programmatic fix
                        from CoSo Cloud to substantially reduce the
                        window during which the issue can be exploited.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
                  </ol>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span>With
                      respect to the first option, we attempted to hack
                      the hardened configuration in a test environment
                      last week, and were not able to do so over the
                      course of 7 hours. Separately, CoSo Cloud and
                      Adobe conducted similar tests and confirmed that
                      this configuration is protected from exploitation
                      of the issue.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><b> </b><o:p></o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><b>Community
                        Feedback and Next Steps</b><o:p></o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span>For the
                      last three weeks, we have been gathering limited
                      feedback regarding users' experiences with WebEx
                      and Zoom. So far, we have input from about 200
                      people, including ICANN org meeting organizers and
                      the ICANN community. Our analysis of this feedback
                      indicates a desire to revert back to an Adobe
                      Connect, providing the security of the service is
                      ensured.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span>Accordingly,
                      we would like to propose the following plan to the
                      broader community for consideration:<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                    <li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in
                      0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                      sans-serif;"><span>We would like to restore Adobe
                        Connect services with both the new hardened
                        configuration and the programmatic fix discussed
                        above. Our intent would be to restore service by
                        3 May. This would allow us to use Adobe Connect
                        during several upcoming events including the
                        Board Workshop, the GDD Industry Summit, and
                        ICANN62.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
                    <li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in
                      0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                      sans-serif;"><span>Once Adobe releases a new
                        version of the software with a fix for this
                        issue from their perspective, and provides
                        assurance the update has been adequately tested,
                        we will move toward that release of Adobe
                        Connect in a prudent manner, with the help of
                        CoSo Cloud.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
                  </ol>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span> <o:p></o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span>We believe
                      that this approach will ensure the security of our
                      content, and of our community interactions, while
                      also enabling our community to use the
                      collaboration tools of their choice.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span> <o:p></o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span>Before we
                      make these changes, we want to hear from you. What
                      do you think? Please submit your thoughts on this
                      contemplated move before May 2nd here:<span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a
                      href="mailto:RP-tool@icann.org" style="color:
                      purple; text-decoration: underline;"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><span>RP-tool@icann.org</span><span></span></a><span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span> <o:p></o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span>Meanwhile,
                      we will continue to offer WebEx and Zoom for RP
                      and collaboration purposes. We will also continue
                      to follow industry developments, including the
                      research ALAC is doing on the RP and collaboration
                      space, to ensure we are using secure and
                      cost-effective tools that are appropriate for our
                      needs.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span> <o:p></o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span>I look
                      forward to your comments!<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                            style="font-size: 9pt;">David A. Olive<br>
                            Senior Vice President</span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                            Development Support</span></span><span><span
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                            Names and Numbers (ICANN)</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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