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    <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">As I said before, I
        think it would be wise to also work with the originators of this
        policy. We had a lunchtime meeting with David Farmer and one
        other person I can't remember. They may already have put
        something together. <br>
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    <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">I could contact Alyssa
        unless this has already been done.<br>
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    <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Marita</font><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/3/2017 4:48 PM, Leah Symekher
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hello:<br>
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        This was my understanding too as noted below by Marita and
        Susannah.  I agree with Susannah's proposed approach.<br>
        <br>
        Leah<br>
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        On 6/1/17 12:46 PM, Susannah Gray wrote:<br>
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        <p>Hi all, <br>
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        <p>Perhaps we should contact the policy 'shepherds' and ask how
          we can put forward a new definition for consideration. I think
          it should be as simple as posting a proposed new definition to
          the ARIN policy mailing list and asking the community for
          comments. <br>
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        <p>As far as I am aware the policy has not been changed because
          there was no consensus gained during ARIN39 to remove the
          clause about community networks, mainly due to the comments
          made by the NARALO representatives. So, the policy will be
          discussed again at the next meeting in San Jose in October,
          and it would be a good idea to circulate a proposed definition
          before then. <br>
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        <p>Cheers, <br>
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        <p>Susannah <br>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/06/2017 06:07, Marita Moll
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          <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">We already did
              provide an intervention -- at the meeting itself. The
              result was that the policy was not to be removed at the
              moment and that the definition of community networks (i.e.
              the demand that they be totally volunteer driven) should
              be revisited.</font></p>
          <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">At least, that's
              how I remember it.</font></p>
          <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Marita</font><br>
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          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/1/2017 3:02 AM, Glenn
            McKnight wrote:<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">Hi  
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              <div>Leslie Noble made mention of the Community Network
                Policy Update </div>
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                <div>ARIN Removal of Community Network Policy</div>
                <div><a
                    href="https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2017_2.html"
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              <div>Perhaps we need to chat about this and be prepared to
                provide an intervention.  Perhaps led by Shelly and
                Marita  who are experts on community networks </div>
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              <div>My own focus is very small community network(mesh)  <br>
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                          <div dir="ltr">Glenn McKnight<br>
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              <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 2:16 PM,
                Susannah Gray <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
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                    <p>Hi Marita <br>
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                      31/05/2017 05:29, Marita Moll wrote:<br>
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                      <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Thanks
                          Glenn. Could you elaborate (or offer a link)
                          on the reference to FIRE -- some comnet
                          funding in place for Uganda &amp; South
                          Africa.</font></p>
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                    <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">- <a
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                        href="http://www.fireafrica.org" target="_blank"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">www.fireafrica.org</a>.
                      It's AFRINIC's grant/award program. They fund all
                      sorts of projects that use the Internet to solve
                      local ICT issues. The two community network
                      projects mentioned are: <br>
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                      Tobesta (ZA): <a
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href="https://www.afrinic.net/fr/library/news/1909-fire-awards-winners-2016"
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                      Bosco (Uganda): <a
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href="http://fireafrica.org/grant-awards-winners-2016" target="_blank"
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                      Thanks, <br>
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                      Susannah <br>
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                            class="m_2721973791879537196moz-cite-prefix">On
                            5/31/2017 4:24 AM, Glenn McKnight wrote:<br>
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                            <div dir="ltr">Hi <br>
                              If you recall at the last  ARIN meeting we
                              saw many of our  NARALO members comment on
                              the   ARIN Community Networks policy 
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                              <div>See policy document </div>
                              <div><a
                                  href="https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/ARIN_prop_232_orig.html"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.arin.net/policy/<wbr>proposals/ARIN_prop_232_orig.<wbr>html</a></div>
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                              <div>I spoke with ARIN staff about their
                                programs on community networks  today
                                and they too are struggling with fee
                                structure for AFRNIC Membership from
                                community networks.   Note they fund
                                 FIRE  which has funded community
                                networks in Uganda and in South Africa.</div>
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                              <div>Perhaps  we need to ask our community
                                to request financial support for ARIN
                                for community networks as well.  <br>
                                Comments?<br>
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                                              skype  gmcknight<br>
                                              twitter gmcknight</div>
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                                                href="tel:%28289%29%20830-6259"
                                                value="+12898306259"
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                                                moz-do-not-send="true">289-830
                                                6259</a><br>
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