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    <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Yes, I did speak to
        Alyssa Moore (from Cybera in Alberta) who is one of the shepherds
        during the meeting and she is very amenable to helping us get
        this through. But it would also be good to speak to one of the
        people who originally got this policy on the books whose name
        was (I think) David Farmer.</font></p>
    <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Marita</font><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/1/2017 12:46 PM, Susannah Gray
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      <p>Hi all, <br>
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      <p>Perhaps we should contact the policy 'shepherds' and ask how we
        can put forward a new definition for consideration. I think it
        should be as simple as posting a proposed new definition to the
        ARIN policy mailing list and asking the community for comments.
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      <p>As far as I am aware the policy has not been changed because
        there was no consensus gained during ARIN39 to remove the clause
        about community networks, mainly due to the comments made by the
        NARALO representatives. So, the policy will be discussed again
        at the next meeting in San Jose in October, and it would be a
        good idea to circulate a proposed definition before then. <br>
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      <p>Cheers, <br>
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      <p>Susannah <br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/06/2017 06:07, Marita Moll
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        <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">We already did
            provide an intervention -- at the meeting itself. The result
            was that the policy was not to be removed at the moment and
            that the definition of community networks (i.e. the demand
            that they be totally volunteer driven) should be revisited.</font></p>
        <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">At least, that's
            how I remember it.</font></p>
        <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Marita</font><br>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/1/2017 3:02 AM, Glenn McKnight
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          <div dir="ltr">Hi  
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            <div>Leslie Noble made mention of the Community Network
              Policy Update </div>
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              <div>ARIN Removal of Community Network Policy</div>
              <div><a
                  href="https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2017_2.html"
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            <div>Perhaps we need to chat about this and be prepared to
              provide an intervention.  Perhaps led by Shelly and Marita
               who are experts on community networks </div>
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            <div>My own focus is very small community network(mesh)  <br>
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                        <div dir="ltr">Glenn McKnight<br>
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            <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 2:16 PM,
              Susannah Gray <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
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                  <p>Hi Marita <br>
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                    <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Thanks
                        Glenn. Could you elaborate (or offer a link) on
                        the reference to FIRE -- some comnet funding in
                        place for Uganda &amp; South Africa.</font></p>
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                  <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">- <a
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                      href="http://www.fireafrica.org" target="_blank"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">www.fireafrica.org</a>.
                    It's AFRINIC's grant/award program. They fund all
                    sorts of projects that use the Internet to solve
                    local ICT issues. The two community network projects
                    mentioned are: <br>
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                    Tobesta (ZA): <a
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                    Bosco (Uganda): <a
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href="http://fireafrica.org/grant-awards-winners-2016" target="_blank"
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                    Thanks, <br>
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                    Susannah <br>
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                          5/31/2017 4:24 AM, Glenn McKnight wrote:<br>
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                          <div dir="ltr">Hi <br>
                            If you recall at the last  ARIN meeting we
                            saw many of our  NARALO members comment on
                            the   ARIN Community Networks policy 
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                            <div>See policy document </div>
                            <div><a
                                href="https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/ARIN_prop_232_orig.html"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.arin.net/policy/<wbr>proposals/ARIN_prop_232_orig.<wbr>html</a></div>
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                            <div>I spoke with ARIN staff about their
                              programs on community networks  today and
                              they too are struggling with fee structure
                              for AFRNIC Membership from community
                              networks.   Note they fund  FIRE  which
                              has funded community networks in Uganda
                              and in South Africa.</div>
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                            <div>Perhaps  we need to ask our community
                              to request financial support for ARIN for
                              community networks as well.  <br>
                              Comments?<br>
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                                              moz-do-not-send="true">mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a><br>
                                            skype  gmcknight<br>
                                            twitter gmcknight</div>
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                                              href="tel:%28289%29%20830-6259"
                                              value="+12898306259"
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                                              moz-do-not-send="true">289-830
                                              6259</a><br>
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