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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">This does not surprise me<br>
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On 2/20/17 6:10 PM, Joly MacFie wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I have
just been contacted by the former registrant of <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://fucked.nyc">fucked.nyc</a>.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">He
registered it via <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://namecheap.com">namecheap.com</a> on March 3
2015 and renewed it earlier this week.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">On Feb 18
2017 he received a msg from Neustar informing him that it
had been found non-compliant with the "<span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">Seven Word
Policy" and deleted. Neustar advised him to contact his
registrar for any refunds they might care to make.</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">He contacted
NameCheap who essentially said "Forgettaboutit'", despite
him pointing out that at no time had he been notified
about, or agreed to be bound by, any such policy. </span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">Here is
NameCheap's response:</span></div>
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style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><i><font
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"
face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Recently, you contacted
our Live Chat support regarding deletion of<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://fucked.nyc/"
target="_blank">fucked.nyc</a>. Feel free to use chat
ID XQR-359-35382 for reference.</font><font
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"
face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"><br>
</font><font style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"
face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">We wanted to let you
know, that we have forwarded a suggestion about special
notices for .NYC domains to the corresponding team.</font><font
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"
face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"><br>
</font><font style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"
face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">We are really sorry
that you faced such a situation and our replies were not
so helpful. Different Registry companies can have
different policies in regards of registration their
domains and they usually reserve a right to change their
requirements or delete domains which do not meet them.</font><font
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"
face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"><br>
</font><font style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"
face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">This does not happen
often, still it is not possible to keep customers
informed about all the Registry policies or their
changes on a contant manner, to our regret.</font><font
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"
face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"><br>
</font><font style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"
face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">The amount you paid for
the domain purchase was used to register/renew the
domain at the .NYC Registry. However, the Registry still
can delete domains without any refund if they do not
meet their requirements. We are working on improving our
performance and hopefully special messages on the site
can help to avoid such situations in future.</font><font
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"
face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"><br>
</font><font style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"
face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">If you have questions
or require assistance, feel free to contact us at any
time.</font></i><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">The
registrant did some further research and surmised that
Neustar's vigilance could well be due to my <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://isoc-ny.org/misc/2017-02-06_isoc-ny_dotnyc.pdf">Feb
6 letter</a> pointing out they were asleep at the wheel.
It appeared to him the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ownit.nyc/restricted-reserved">relevant
page</a> had been hurriedly updated. Since, apparently he
has other domains that might also be considered variants on
the 7 words, he got back on to Neustar for some
clarification, demanded to see a list. 'Guy' at Neustar
support informed him that nothing of the like existed - that
it was decided on case by case basis - and to add insult to
injury sany deleted restricted names might, as policies
change, be released and sold to the highest bidder without
any recourse for the original registrant.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Thus he
writes</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><i>I have
concluded that all of my .nyc domain names (more than
20) were registered without binding terms or a policy of
any kind on behalf of Namecheap or Neustar / <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ownit.nyc/"
target="_blank">ownit.nyc</a>, and I suspect that this
is a case for a large percentage of sold .nyc domains.
Yet my domain name was seized for a breach of policy, a
policy I was never introduced to nor agreed to. If any
of my other names are added to the list, they can seize
it at any time, despite the fact that I've owned them
for 2 years now.<br>
</i></div>
<div style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><i><br>
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<div style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><i>The
greatest ethical concern I have is that an entity
operating in this way reserves the right to put a domain
name on the reserved/restricted list at any point in
time, even if it was already sold and owned for 2 years.
I was informed by "Guy" at Neustar support that there is
a possibility reserved/restricted names will be released
in the future, however they are released back to the
public (they go back up for sale), not to the original
owner. I have many .nyc domain names that appear as
variations according to their list.</i></div>
<div style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><i><br>
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<div style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><i>Where is
the oversight? Who is to prevent Neustar from seizing a
domain name for a period of time, then conveniently
releasing it later only to buy it themselves using an
alias or through a third party?</i></div>
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<div style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><snip></div>
<div style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><i><br>
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<div style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><span
style="font-size:12.8px"><i>It just doesn't seem right.
If Neustar was unable to properly inform name holders
on policy creations, changes, and updates in the past
5 years on city tax dollars, I don't think they should
operate for another second. It shouldn't take a
committee to generate a "no", I think their shady
track record in the past 5 years speaks for itself.
And this being New York City, we deserve better.</i></span><i><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I've
responded to him, noting that 7 word policy is in the City's
.nyc contract (appears to have been published April 1 2015,
and the .nyc Acceptable Use Policy (which doesn't mention
that policy but says they can delete at will) has been
public since July 2014. Caveat emptor. I noted that Neustar
is obligated to file copies of Registrar Registry Agreements
with the City, and he could FOIL it to see if NameCheap had
met their obligations. I also opined that, in the unlikely
event Neustar were to resell a previously deleted name,
they would be asking for trouble,</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">However I
think he rightfully raises the wider issue of the right of
registrants to be properly informed of restrictive gTLD
policies before they put their money on the line. Is there
something like that in existing policy?</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">And also,
to possibly the wider amusement of schoolboys etc, maybe
ICANN or somebody should perhaps maintain a definitive
reference of unacceptable variants of the 7 words.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">joly</div>
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