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.paris is a community TLD, and thus subject to the control of the
designated community. However, according to the TLD application, the
"City of Paris" is deemed to be the representative of that
community. So it is completely internal to the City of Paris how it
implements any control or other input from Paris residents and
businesses. <br><br>
This, for all practical purposes, puts it in the same status as .nyc
(which did not apply as a "Community" TLD. Any rules it puts in
place, or does not put in place, which gives some level of control or
review to NYC residents or businesses is solely up to the city
administration.<br><br>
Alan<br><br>
At 12/06/2016 06:07 PM, Louis Houle wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Hi Tom and Alan,<br>
<br>
I read the Registry agreement - Paris and didn't find real relevant
info:<br><br>
«7.8 No Third-Party Beneficiaries. This Agreement will not be
construed to create any obligation by either ICANN or Registry Operator
to any non-party to this Agreement, including any registrar or registered
name holder.<br><br>
Community Registration Policies<br><br>
Registry Operator shall implement and comply with all community
registration policies described below and/or attached to this
Specification 12. In the event Specification 12 conflicts with the
requirements of any other provision of the Registry Agreement, such other
provision shall govern.<br>
Two types of conditions must be fulfilled for the right to register a TLD
name. These are: (A) community membership (bona fide presence in
the Paris area) and (B) the additional requirements that:<br>
The presence in Paris area and use of domain are generally accepted as
legitimate. <br>
The presence in Paris area and use of domain are conducive to welfare of
the Paris area.»<br><br>
Goog evening<br><br>
<br>
<pre>Louis Houle
President
ISOC Quebec
<a href="mailto:Louis.Houle@isoc.quebec">Louis.Houle@isoc.quebec</a>
</pre>Le 2016-05-13 à 16:40, Alan Greenberg a écrit :<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">As a first step, perhaps you
should look at all of the application forms and registry agreements,
particularly for those that are Community TLDs, and see what they
committed to.<br>
-- <br>
Sent from my mobile. Please excuse brevity and typos.<br><br>
On May 13, 2016 4:16:47 PM EDT, Thomas Lowenhaupt
<a href="mailto:toml@communisphere.com"><toml@communisphere.com></a>
wrote: <br>
<dl><br>
<dd>Louis,<br><br>
<dd>It certainly would be good to know the level of engagement for IIUs
in Paris and the other newly TLD'd cities. Perhaps the At-Large could
craft a questionnaire to gather the state of affairs, to be distributed
as widely as practicable. Certainly one might imagine excellent
penetration in those cities with ALSes. From there we might develop a
report of use to many. <br><br>
<dd>What's the best tool for creating a questionnaire these days?
<a href="https://www.surveymonkey.com/">Surveymonkey</a> seems to be
priced right? Anyone with experience in this area? Is there a better
alternative? Are there others in the ICANN community that might be
interested in a project of this sort?<br><br>
<dd>Best,<br><br>
<dd>Tom Lowenhaupt<br><br>
<dd>On 5/13/2016 2:51 PM, Louis Houle wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dd>Hi Tom,<br><br>
<dd>Why is the situation rather opaque in .NYC. Because inclusiveness is
not promoted ? Because transparency is not an integrated process in the
pratices of the management team (the meetings are held behind closed
doors? )<br><br>
<dd>Governments obey to a set of rules and processes that they control.
This includes the input or contribution from third parties regarding the
direction to follow the management approach, etc. I understand that this
the situation that you're cought with.<br><br>
<dd>Your suggestion to get ICANN on board is certainly appropriate. Is it
the only approach for you to advocate for a governance process for NYC? I
don't know if other city TLD are facing a similar situation as the one
you described. For instance, Dot-Paris is managed by the city under the
authority of the mayer. Would it be useful to document how they address
governance issues including the multistakeholder model ? Would it be
useful to get the GeoTLD Interest Group on board also?<br><br>
<dd>At Dot-Quebec, the Board adopted a very openned governance approach.
Anybody who can contribute is welcome, but it's a not-for-profit
organisation. It's not lead by the government even though we received a
financial and political support for the project. We support the
multistakeholder model but for the new members of the Board, it needs to
be explained. We have people with various and strong CV, but mostly no
ICANN experience for some of them. Knowledge sharing is useful then, but
it is still necessary to have a partner who is willing to
listen.<br><br>
<dd>Regards<br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd><pre>Louis Houle
<dd>President
<dd>ISOC Quebec
<dd><a href="mailto:Louis.Houle@isoc.quebec">Louis.Houle@isoc.quebec</a>
</pre>
<dd>Le 2016-05-12 12:49, Thomas Lowenhaupt a écrit :<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dd><font size=1>Joly,<br><br>
<dd>In response to my post contending that the multistakeholder model was
not effectively meeting the needs of individual Internet users (IIUs) in
New York City you said:</font>
<ul>
<ul>
<li>"​But are we? ALS's and individuals can join RALOs, who in
turn can influence the ALAC, who advise the ICANN board." <br>
</dl>
<dd><font size=1>That's correct. And that's what I'm doing right now.
<ul>
<ul>
<li>"Or do you mean locally? Well, we elect our representatives on
the NYC City Council, who are subject to their constituents, at least in
theory."</font> <br>
</dl>
<dd><font size=1>Following that line of thought we really don't need a
city council or mayor at all. After all, we also have a democratically
elected congress and president. Why bother with city government? Just
call your congress member about the pothole, garbage pickup, or idea for
a park improvement. And indeed you can. But my congress member represents
about 700,000 people and avers to the local council member who represents
160,000 residents. He has close ties, that include budgetary
control, with the local service providers - the pothole fillers,
sanitation and parks departments. So for local service delivery issues
it's better to go local. And in this instance, with .nyc, I think we have
agreed to go down one more layer and engage the stakeholders in the
process. And indeed, ICANN talks bottom-up and multistakeholder.
Minimally, minimally, ICANN could send a notification to the local ALSs
when a city registry agreement change is proposed. And it would seem
reasonable to provide the opportunity for that ALS to respond, and for
that response to be considered. One might argue that it is the ALS's
responsibility to keep an eye on ICANN's activities. And that's a good
idea. And I support and look forward to the day when we're provided by
ICANN with a budget to hire a staff member for that task. But for now it
seems ICANN's generating a letter about proposed changes to the registry
agreement is the simpler way to go.
<ul>
<ul>
<li>"There was an advisory board for .nyc. It hardly met, and the
meetings it had were closed. You were on it. It could've done something
to break its chains if the will was there, surely.​"</font> <br>
</dl>
<dd><font size=1>As I recall the situation, the city created the advisory
board under duress - there was a challenge to their .nyc application from
Connecting.nyc Inc. After the .NYC Community Advisory Board's creation
the city retained tight control over its operation. It appointed members,
scheduled the meetings, and set the agenda. I informed media-types about
the meetings, but they were excluded by the representatives of the mayor.
Additionally, even city officials were excluded. Council member Gale
Brewer's representative, whom I invited, was told to leave the room when
he showed up. And as I mentioned previously, when they abolished it on
December 31, 2014 they wiped out any sign of its existence from its
website. But you're right, those chains probably could have been broken
short of self-immolation. I just never figured out how. Where are we now?
While we've taken a hit with the abolition of the .NYC Community Advisory
Board, I'm still trying to get a governance process started where IIUs
can meaningfully participate in a governance process. My latest thought
is to get ICANN, via the ALSs, on board and advocating for a
multistakeholder governance process, one that includes IIUs. Any thoughts
on how to achieve this are most welcomed.<br><br>
<dd>Best,<br><br>
<dd>Tom Lowenhaupt<br><br>
<dd>On 5/12/2016 1:19 AM, Joly MacFie wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><br>
<dd>On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 12:09 AM, Thomas Lowenhaupt
<<a href="mailto:toml@communisphere.com">toml@communisphere.com</a>
> wrote:<br>
</font>
<dl><br>
<dd><font size=1>The point I'm trying to make is: If we've all accepted
the multistakeholder model, how is it that the local ALSes and individual
Internet users (residents and organizations as well) are left out of the
decision making process?<br>
</font><br>
<dd><font size=1>Tom<br>
</font><br>
</dl><font size=1><br>
<dd>​But are we? ALS's and individuals can join RALOs, who inturn can
influence the ALAC, who advise the ICANN board.<br><br>
<dd>Or do you mean locally? Well, we elect our representatives on the NYC
City Council, who are subject to their constituents, at least in
theory.<br><br>
<dd>There was an advisory board for .nyc. It hardly met, and the meetings
it had were closed. You were on it. It could've done something to break
its chains if the will was there, surely.​<br><br>
<dd>​j​<br><br>
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