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<p>Hi Tom and Alan,<br>
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<p>I read the Registry agreement - Paris and didn't find real
relevant info:<br>
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<p>«7.8 No Third-Party Beneficiaries. This Agreement will not be
construed to create any obligation by either ICANN or Registry
Operator to any non-party to this Agreement, including any
registrar or registered name holder.</p>
<p>Community Registration Policies<br>
</p>
<p>Registry Operator shall implement and comply with all community
registration policies described below and/or attached to this
Specification 12. In the event Specification 12 conflicts with
the requirements of any other provision of the Registry Agreement,
such other provision shall govern.<br>
Two types of conditions must be fulfilled for the right to
register a TLD name. These are: (A) community membership (bona
fide presence in the Paris area) and (B) the additional
requirements that:<br>
The presence in Paris area and use of domain are generally
accepted as legitimate. <br>
The presence in Paris area and use of domain are conducive to
welfare of the Paris area.»</p>
<p>Goog evening<br>
<br>
</p>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Louis Houle
President
ISOC Quebec
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Louis.Houle@isoc.quebec">Louis.Houle@isoc.quebec</a>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 2016-05-13 à 16:40, Alan Greenberg a
écrit :<br>
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As a first step, perhaps you should look at all of the application
forms and registry agreements, particularly for those that are
Community TLDs, and see what they committed to.<br>
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Sent from my mobile. Please excuse brevity and typos.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On May 13, 2016 4:16:47 PM EDT, Thomas
Lowenhaupt <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:toml@communisphere.com"><toml@communisphere.com></a> wrote:
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<p>Louis,</p>
<p>It certainly would be good to know the level of engagement
for IIUs in Paris and the other newly TLD'd cities. Perhaps
the At-Large could craft a questionnaire to gather the state
of affairs, to be distributed as widely as practicable.
Certainly one might imagine excellent penetration in those
cities with ALSes. From there we might develop a report of
use to many. <br>
</p>
<p>What's the best tool for creating a questionnaire these
days? <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.surveymonkey.com/">Surveymonkey</a>
seems to be priced right? Anyone with experience in this
area? Is there a better alternative? Are there others in the
ICANN community that might be interested in a project of
this sort?<br>
</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Tom Lowenhaupt<br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/13/2016 2:51 PM, Louis Houle
wrote:<br>
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Hi Tom,<br>
<br>
Why is the situation rather opaque in .NYC. Because
inclusiveness is not promoted ? Because transparency is not
an integrated process in the pratices of the management team
(the meetings are held behind closed doors? )<br>
<br>
Governments obey to a set of rules and processes that they
control. This includes the input or contribution from third
parties regarding the direction to follow the management
approach, etc. I understand that this the situation that
you're cought with.<br>
<br>
Your suggestion to get ICANN on board is certainly
appropriate. Is it the only approach for you to advocate for
a governance process for NYC? I don't know if other city TLD
are facing a similar situation as the one you described. For
instance, Dot-Paris is managed by the city under the
authority of the mayer. Would it be useful to document how
they address governance issues including the
multistakeholder model ? Would it be useful to get the
GeoTLD Interest Group on board also?<br>
<br>
At Dot-Quebec, the Board adopted a very openned governance
approach. Anybody who can contribute is welcome, but it's a
not-for-profit organisation. It's not lead by the government
even though we received a financial and political support
for the project. We support the multistakeholder model but
for the new members of the Board, it needs to be explained.
We have people with various and strong CV, but mostly no
ICANN experience for some of them. Knowledge sharing is
useful then, but it is still necessary to have a partner who
is willing to listen.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Louis Houle
President
ISOC Quebec
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Louis.Houle@isoc.quebec">Louis.Houle@isoc.quebec</a>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 2016-05-12 12:49, Thomas
Lowenhaupt a écrit :<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><font
size="+1">Joly,<br>
<br>
In response to my post contending that the
multistakeholder model was not effectively meeting the
needs of individual Internet users (IIUs) in New York
City you said:<br>
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<li><font size="+1">"But are we? ALS's and
individuals can join RALOs, who in turn can
influence the ALAC, who advise the ICANN board."</font></li>
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<font size="+1">That's correct. And that's what I'm
doing right now.</font></div>
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<ul>
<li><font size="+1">"Or do you mean locally? Well,
we elect our representatives on the NYC City
Council, who are subject to their constituents,
at least in theory."</font></li>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><font
size="+1">Following that line of thought we really
don't need a city council or mayor at all. After all,
we also have a democratically elected congress and
president. Why bother with city government? Just call
your congress member about the pothole, garbage
pickup, or idea for a park improvement. And indeed you
can. But my congress member represents about 700,000
people and avers to the local council member who
represents 160,000 residents. He has close ties, that
include budgetary control, with the local service
providers - the pothole fillers, sanitation and parks
departments. So for local service delivery issues it's
better to go local. And in this instance, with .nyc, I
think we have agreed to go down one more layer and
engage the stakeholders in the process. And indeed,
ICANN talks bottom-up and multistakeholder. Minimally,
minimally, ICANN could send a notification to the
local ALSs when a city registry agreement change is
proposed. And it would seem reasonable to provide the
opportunity for that ALS to respond, and for that
response to be considered. One might argue that it is
the ALS's responsibility to keep an eye on ICANN's
activities. And that's a good idea. And I support and
look forward to the day when we're provided by ICANN
with a budget to hire a staff member for that task.
But for now it seems ICANN's generating a letter about
proposed changes to the registry agreement is the
simpler way to go. <br>
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<ul>
<li><font size="+1">"There was an advisory board for
.nyc. It hardly met, and the meetings it had
were closed. You were on it. It could've done
something to break its chains if the will was
there, surely."</font></li>
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<font size="+1">As I recall the situation, the city
created the advisory board under duress - there was a
challenge to their .nyc application from
Connecting.nyc Inc. After the .NYC Community Advisory
Board's creation the city retained tight control over
its operation. It appointed members, scheduled the
meetings, and set the agenda. I informed media-types
about the meetings, but they were excluded by the
representatives of the mayor. Additionally, even city
officials were excluded. Council member Gale Brewer's
representative, whom I invited, was told to leave the
room when he showed up. And as I mentioned previously,
when they abolished it on December 31, 2014 they wiped
out any sign of its existence from its website. But
you're right, those chains probably could have been
broken short of self-immolation. I just never figured
out how. Where are we now? While we've taken a hit
with the abolition of the .NYC Community Advisory
Board, I'm still trying to get a governance process
started where IIUs can meaningfully participate in a
governance process. My latest thought is to get ICANN,
via the ALSs, on board and advocating for a
multistakeholder governance process, one that includes
IIUs. Any thoughts on how to achieve this are most
welcomed.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Tom Lowenhaupt<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="+1">On 5/12/2016
1:19 AM, Joly MacFie wrote:<br>
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12, 2016 at 12:09 AM, Thomas Lowenhaupt <span
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<p><font size="+1">The point I'm trying to make
is: If we've all accepted the
multistakeholder model, how is it that the
local ALSes and individual Internet users
(residents and organizations as well) are
left out of the decision making process?</font></p>
<p><font size="+1">Tom</font></p>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><font
size="+1">But are we? ALS's and individuals can
join RALOs, who inturn can influence the ALAC,
who advise the ICANN board.</font></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><font
size="+1"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><font
size="+1">Or do you mean locally? Well, we elect
our representatives on the NYC City Council, who
are subject to their constituents, at least in
theory.</font></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><font
size="+1"><br>
</font></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><font
size="+1">There was an advisory board for .nyc.
It hardly met, and the meetings it had were
closed. You were on it. It could've done
something to break its chains if the will was
there, surely.</font></div>
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