<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On 16 May 2016 at 04:52, Thomas Lowenhaupt </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:toml@communisphere.com" target="_blank">toml@communisphere.com</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Following up on the recent exchange here on NARALO Discuss,
concerning the 4 changes to New York City's .nyc registry
agreement, and my belief that modification to the extant operating
processes were in order, today I reviewed the <a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/bylaws-en#XI" target="_blank">ICANN
By-Laws</a> as they relate to ALAC responsibilities. And it
seems apparent that more should be done to keep New York City's
individual Internet users informed and engaged about ICANN
activities.<br></p></div></blockquote><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">I fervently disagree, both that "more should be done" and even defining what that "more" is.</div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">This is getting tiring. Every so often we see raised the issue of community involvement in .nyc. Every time the challenges, problems and bad assumption identified in the grievance is ignored. Then the discussion just drops, only to come back some time later raise the issue again as if it's brand new.</div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#CCCCCC" text="#000000"><p>I base this conclusion on my reading of Article XI, subsection
2.4.j which lists 10 resp</p><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif;display:inline">o</div><span style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"></span>nsibilities of ALAC. If one considers
responsibilities 2, 4, 5, 6, and 10, one is likely to conclude
that something <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fall_through_the_cracks" target="_blank">fell
through the cracks</a> in the 4 instances where the registry
agreement was changed and the city's individual Internet users
were not informed.<p></p><p></p></div></blockquote><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">Quoting the ICANN bylaws is FAR from enough. I've been extremely close to those bylaws and have frequently made the case that ALAC under-utilized its authority on a number of occasions.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">This is not one of those occasions.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> </span><br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#CCCCCC" text="#000000"><p>Think about it... Between December 1, 2014 and March 31, 2016
four (4) <a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/agreement/nyc-2014-01-23-en" target="_blank">changes
were made to the .nyc registry agreement</a>. No effort was made
to inform New York City's individual Internet users about these
changes or their possible impact.</p></div></blockquote><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">I thought about it. For a long time, a long time ago.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">BIG DEAL.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">I looked at the changes. They apply to the use of two-letter second-level domains and the collection of additional information on registrants to verify their legitimacy to use the domain.</div></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#CCCCCC" text="#000000"><p> </p><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif;display:inline"></div>After reading clauses 2, 4, 5, 6
and 10 does anyone disagree with my conclusion, that more should
be done to keep New York City's individual Internet users informed
and engaged about ICANN activities? <br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">Specifically, what in the proposed changes does the end-user community of New York City (meaning some group of people significant larger then you alone) have a problem with?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">If your problem is with process rather than substance, it is my opinion that you're wasting our time. The registry for .nyc is the city government of New York, governed by elected representatives.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">Moreover, previously when you have raised issued related to .nyc you refuse to answer core questions that challenge what are IMO poor assumptions, and your refusal to provide satisfactory answers has crippled the credibility of your cause.<br><ul><li>Given that you've been around the process for a while, you know that ALAC is a global body and its advice to ICANN is not country- (let alone city-)specific. Why, then, have you made no effort to engage in joint activity with other communities where city-TLDs exist, in order to facilitate creation of policy adaptable to a worldwide community?<br><br></li><li>If the effort has been made but no similar issues have been found at other cities with their own TLDs, that begs a different question: what's so special about the problems with .nyc, that makes it sufficiently worthy to demand attention from other regions and the global ALAC? In both theory and practice, ALAC advice to the Board is neither domain specific nor region specific.<br><br></li><li>After years of asking, I have yet to hear a satisfactory answer to the question "what is the end-user community interest, specifically, in the .nyc domain, that could not be served through a second-level domain?" </li></ul></div></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#CCCCCC" text="#000000">
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<p>If there 's no disagreement, how do we move ahead to assure that
ALAC responsibilities, as spelled out in Article XI of ICANN's
By-Laws, are appropriately adhered to in the future?</p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">Consider disagreement had.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">Tom, you've also been here long enough to know that ALAC volunteers are stretched beyond belief in just taking care of real fires. Since you appear to know the bylaws and ALAC's role so well, why don't you <b>propose</b> something rather than merely expect others to fight your battles for you?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">In any case.... until you can demonstrate that (a) this is a globally relevant problem and (b) it indeed harms end users and (c) creative solutions have been tried and failed .... this is not yet NARALO's (let alone ALAC's) battle.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">Apologies to readers for what may have come across as overly harsh. But I'm honestly tired of this issue repeatedly advancing and receding, each time draining critical human energy better directed elsewhere.</div></div></div><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="text-align:center"><div style="text-align:left">Evan Leibovitch</div><div style="text-align:left">Geneva, CH</div></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div style="text-align:center"><div style="text-align:left">Em: evan at telly dot org</div></div><div style="text-align:center"><div style="text-align:left">Sk: evanleibovitch</div></div><div style="text-align:center"><div style="text-align:left">Tw: el56</div></div></blockquote></div></div></div>
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