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Tom,<br>
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Maybe the staff could suggest another tool if Surveymonkey isn't OK.
It's the most popular according to worldstream:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.wordstream.com/blog/ws/2014/11/10/best-online-survey-tools">http://www.wordstream.com/blog/ws/2014/11/10/best-online-survey-tools</a><br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Louis Houle
President
ISOC Quebec
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Louis.Houle@isoc.quebec">Louis.Houle@isoc.quebec</a>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 2016-05-13 16:16, Thomas Lowenhaupt
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<p>Louis,</p>
<p>It certainly would be good to know the level of engagement for
IIUs in Paris and the other newly TLD'd cities. Perhaps the
At-Large could craft a questionnaire to gather the state of
affairs, to be distributed as widely as practicable. Certainly
one might imagine excellent penetration in those cities with
ALSes. From there we might develop a report of use to many. <br>
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<p>What's the best tool for creating a questionnaire these days? <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.surveymonkey.com/">Surveymonkey</a>
seems to be priced right? Anyone with experience in this area?
Is there a better alternative? Are there others in the ICANN
community that might be interested in a project of this sort?<br>
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<p>Best,</p>
<p>Tom Lowenhaupt<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/13/2016 2:51 PM, Louis Houle
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Hi Tom,<br>
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Why is the situation rather opaque in .NYC. Because
inclusiveness is not promoted ? Because transparency is not an
integrated process in the pratices of the management team (the
meetings are held behind closed doors? )<br>
<br>
Governments obey to a set of rules and processes that they
control. This includes the input or contribution from third
parties regarding the direction to follow the management
approach, etc. I understand that this the situation that you're
cought with.<br>
<br>
Your suggestion to get ICANN on board is certainly appropriate.
Is it the only approach for you to advocate for a governance
process for NYC? I don't know if other city TLD are facing a
similar situation as the one you described. For instance,
Dot-Paris is managed by the city under the authority of the
mayer. Would it be useful to document how they address
governance issues including the multistakeholder model ? Would
it be useful to get the GeoTLD Interest Group on board also?<br>
<br>
At Dot-Quebec, the Board adopted a very openned governance
approach. Anybody who can contribute is welcome, but it's a
not-for-profit organisation. It's not lead by the government
even though we received a financial and political support for
the project. We support the multistakeholder model but for the
new members of the Board, it needs to be explained. We have
people with various and strong CV, but mostly no ICANN
experience for some of them. Knowledge sharing is useful then,
but it is still necessary to have a partner who is willing to
listen.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Louis Houle
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 2016-05-12 12:49, Thomas
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size="+1">Joly,<br>
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In response to my post contending that the
multistakeholder model was not effectively meeting the
needs of individual Internet users (IIUs) in New York City
you said:<br>
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<li><font size="+1">"But are we? ALS's and individuals
can join RALOs, who in turn can influence the ALAC,
who advise the ICANN board."</font></li>
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<font size="+1">That's correct. And that's what I'm doing
right now.</font></div>
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<li><font size="+1">"Or do you mean locally? Well, we
elect our representatives on the NYC City Council,
who are subject to their constituents, at least in
theory."</font></li>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><font
size="+1">Following that line of thought we really don't
need a city council or mayor at all. After all, we also
have a democratically elected congress and president. Why
bother with city government? Just call your congress
member about the pothole, garbage pickup, or idea for a
park improvement. And indeed you can. But my congress
member represents about 700,000 people and avers to the
local council member who represents 160,000 residents. He
has close ties, that include budgetary control, with the
local service providers - the pothole fillers, sanitation
and parks departments. So for local service delivery
issues it's better to go local. And in this instance, with
.nyc, I think we have agreed to go down one more layer and
engage the stakeholders in the process. And indeed, ICANN
talks bottom-up and multistakeholder. Minimally,
minimally, ICANN could send a notification to the local
ALSs when a city registry agreement change is proposed.
And it would seem reasonable to provide the opportunity
for that ALS to respond, and for that response to be
considered. One might argue that it is the ALS's
responsibility to keep an eye on ICANN's activities. And
that's a good idea. And I support and look forward to the
day when we're provided by ICANN with a budget to hire a
staff member for that task. But for now it seems ICANN's
generating a letter about proposed changes to the registry
agreement is the simpler way to go. <br>
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<li><font size="+1">"There was an advisory board for
.nyc. It hardly met, and the meetings it had were
closed. You were on it. It could've done something
to break its chains if the will was there, surely."</font></li>
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<font size="+1">As I recall the situation, the city created
the advisory board under duress - there was a challenge to
their .nyc application from Connecting.nyc Inc. After the
.NYC Community Advisory Board's creation the city retained
tight control over its operation. It appointed members,
scheduled the meetings, and set the agenda. I informed
media-types about the meetings, but they were excluded by
the representatives of the mayor. Additionally, even city
officials were excluded. Council member Gale Brewer's
representative, whom I invited, was told to leave the room
when he showed up. And as I mentioned previously, when
they abolished it on December 31, 2014 they wiped out any
sign of its existence from its website. But you're right,
those chains probably could have been broken short of
self-immolation. I just never figured out how. Where are
we now? While we've taken a hit with the abolition of the
.NYC Community Advisory Board, I'm still trying to get a
governance process started where IIUs can meaningfully
participate in a governance process. My latest thought is
to get ICANN, via the ALSs, on board and advocating for a
multistakeholder governance process, one that includes
IIUs. Any thoughts on how to achieve this are most
welcomed.<br>
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Best,<br>
<br>
Tom Lowenhaupt<br>
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<p><font size="+1">The point I'm trying to make is:
If we've all accepted the multistakeholder
model, how is it that the local ALSes and
individual Internet users (residents and
organizations as well) are left out of the
decision making process?</font></p>
<p><font size="+1">Tom</font></p>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><font
size="+1">But are we? ALS's and individuals can
join RALOs, who inturn can influence the ALAC, who
advise the ICANN board.</font></div>
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size="+1"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><font
size="+1">Or do you mean locally? Well, we elect our
representatives on the NYC City Council, who are
subject to their constituents, at least in theory.</font></div>
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size="+1">There was an advisory board for .nyc. It
hardly met, and the meetings it had were closed. You
were on it. It could've done something to break its
chains if the will was there, surely.</font></div>
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