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Hi Tom,<br>
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Why is the situation rather opaque in .NYC. Because inclusiveness is
not promoted ? Because transparency is not an integrated process in
the pratices of the management team (the meetings are held behind
closed doors? )<br>
<br>
Governments obey to a set of rules and processes that they control.
This includes the input or contribution from third parties regarding
the direction to follow the management approach, etc. I understand
that this the situation that you're cought with.<br>
<br>
Your suggestion to get ICANN on board is certainly appropriate. Is
it the only approach for you to advocate for a governance process
for NYC? I don't know if other city TLD are facing a similar
situation as the one you described. For instance, Dot-Paris is
managed by the city under the authority of the mayer. Would it be
useful to document how they address governance issues including the
multistakeholder model ? Would it be useful to get the GeoTLD
Interest Group on board also?<br>
<br>
At Dot-Quebec, the Board adopted a very openned governance approach.
Anybody who can contribute is welcome, but it's a not-for-profit
organisation. It's not lead by the government even though we
received a financial and political support for the project. We
support the multistakeholder model but for the new members of the
Board, it needs to be explained. We have people with various and
strong CV, but mostly no ICANN experience for some of them.
Knowledge sharing is useful then, but it is still necessary to have
a partner who is willing to listen.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Louis Houle
President
ISOC Quebec
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Louis.Houle@isoc.quebec">Louis.Houle@isoc.quebec</a>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 2016-05-12 12:49, Thomas Lowenhaupt
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><font size="+1">Joly,<br>
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In response to my post contending that the multistakeholder
model was not effectively meeting the needs of individual
Internet users (IIUs) in New York City you said:<br>
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<li><font size="+1">"But are we? ALS's and individuals can
join RALOs, who in turn can influence the ALAC, who
advise the ICANN board."</font></li>
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<font size="+1">That's correct. And that's what I'm doing right
now.</font></div>
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<li><font size="+1">"Or do you mean locally? Well, we elect
our representatives on the NYC City Council, who are
subject to their constituents, at least in theory."</font></li>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><font size="+1">Following
that line of thought we really don't need a city council or
mayor at all. After all, we also have a democratically elected
congress and president. Why bother with city government? Just
call your congress member about the pothole, garbage pickup,
or idea for a park improvement. And indeed you can. But my
congress member represents about 700,000 people and avers to
the local council member who represents 160,000 residents. He
has close ties, that include budgetary control, with the
local service providers - the pothole fillers, sanitation and
parks departments. So for local service delivery issues it's
better to go local. And in this instance, with .nyc, I think
we have agreed to go down one more layer and engage the
stakeholders in the process. And indeed, ICANN talks bottom-up
and multistakeholder. Minimally, minimally, ICANN could send a
notification to the local ALSs when a city registry agreement
change is proposed. And it would seem reasonable to provide
the opportunity for that ALS to respond, and for that response
to be considered. One might argue that it is the ALS's
responsibility to keep an eye on ICANN's activities. And
that's a good idea. And I support and look forward to the day
when we're provided by ICANN with a budget to hire a staff
member for that task. But for now it seems ICANN's generating
a letter about proposed changes to the registry agreement is
the simpler way to go. <br>
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<li><font size="+1">"There was an advisory board for .nyc.
It hardly met, and the meetings it had were closed. You
were on it. It could've done something to break its
chains if the will was there, surely."</font></li>
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<font size="+1">As I recall the situation, the city created the
advisory board under duress - there was a challenge to their
.nyc application from Connecting.nyc Inc. After the .NYC
Community Advisory Board's creation the city retained tight
control over its operation. It appointed members, scheduled
the meetings, and set the agenda. I informed media-types about
the meetings, but they were excluded by the representatives of
the mayor. Additionally, even city officials were excluded.
Council member Gale Brewer's representative, whom I invited,
was told to leave the room when he showed up. And as I
mentioned previously, when they abolished it on December 31,
2014 they wiped out any sign of its existence from its
website. But you're right, those chains probably could have
been broken short of self-immolation. I just never figured out
how. Where are we now? While we've taken a hit with the
abolition of the .NYC Community Advisory Board, I'm still
trying to get a governance process started where IIUs can
meaningfully participate in a governance process. My latest
thought is to get ICANN, via the ALSs, on board and advocating
for a multistakeholder governance process, one that includes
IIUs. Any thoughts on how to achieve this are most welcomed.<br>
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Best,<br>
<br>
Tom Lowenhaupt<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="+1">On 5/12/2016 1:19 AM,
Joly MacFie wrote:<br>
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<p><font size="+1">The point I'm trying to make is: If
we've all accepted the multistakeholder model, how
is it that the local ALSes and individual Internet
users (residents and organizations as well) are left
out of the decision making process?</font></p>
<p><font size="+1">Tom</font></p>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><font
size="+1">But are we? ALS's and individuals can join
RALOs, who inturn can influence the ALAC, who advise the
ICANN board.</font></div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><font
size="+1">Or do you mean locally? Well, we elect our
representatives on the NYC City Council, who are subject
to their constituents, at least in theory.</font></div>
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size="+1">There was an advisory board for .nyc. It
hardly met, and the meetings it had were closed. You
were on it. It could've done something to break its
chains if the will was there, surely.</font></div>
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