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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><font size="+1">Joly,<br>
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In response to my post contending that the multistakeholder
model was not effectively meeting the needs of individual
Internet users (IIUs) in New York City you said:<br>
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<li><font size="+1">"But are we? ALS's and individuals can
join RALOs, who in turn can influence the ALAC, who advise
the ICANN board."</font></li>
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<font size="+1">That's correct. And that's what I'm doing right
now.</font></div>
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<li><font size="+1">"Or do you mean locally? Well, we elect
our representatives on the NYC City Council, who are
subject to their constituents, at least in theory."</font></li>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><font size="+1">Following
that line of thought we really don't need a city council or
mayor at all. After all, we also have a democratically elected
congress and president. Why bother with city government? Just
call your congress member about the pothole, garbage pickup, or
idea for a park improvement. And indeed you can. But my congress
member represents about 700,000 people and avers to the local
council member who represents 160,000 residents. He has close
ties, that include budgetary control, with the local service
providers - the pothole fillers, sanitation and parks
departments. So for local service delivery issues it's better to
go local. And in this instance, with .nyc, I think we have
agreed to go down one more layer and engage the stakeholders in
the process. And indeed, ICANN talks bottom-up and
multistakeholder. Minimally, minimally, ICANN could send a
notification to the local ALSs when a city registry agreement
change is proposed. And it would seem reasonable to provide the
opportunity for that ALS to respond, and for that response to be
considered. One might argue that it is the ALS's responsibility
to keep an eye on ICANN's activities. And that's a good idea.
And I support and look forward to the day when we're provided by
ICANN with a budget to hire a staff member for that task. But for
now it seems ICANN's generating a letter about proposed changes
to the registry agreement is the simpler way to go. <br>
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<li><font size="+1">"There was an advisory board for .nyc. It
hardly met, and the meetings it had were closed. You were
on it. It could've done something to break its chains if
the will was there, surely."</font></li>
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<font size="+1">As I recall the situation, the city created the
advisory board under duress - there was a challenge to their
.nyc application from Connecting.nyc Inc. After the .NYC
Community Advisory Board's creation the city retained tight
control over its operation. It appointed members, scheduled the
meetings, and set the agenda. I informed media-types about the
meetings, but they were excluded by the representatives of the
mayor. Additionally, even city officials were excluded. Council
member Gale Brewer's representative, whom I invited, was told to
leave the room when he showed up. And as I mentioned previously,
when they abolished it on December 31, 2014 they wiped out any
sign of its existence from its website. But you're right, those
chains probably could have been broken short of self-immolation.
I just never figured out how. Where are we now? While we've
taken a hit with the abolition of the .NYC Community Advisory
Board, I'm still trying to get a governance process started
where IIUs can meaningfully participate in a governance process.
My latest thought is to get ICANN, via the ALSs, on board and
advocating for a multistakeholder governance process, one that
includes IIUs. Any thoughts on how to achieve this are most
welcomed.<br>
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Best,<br>
<br>
Tom Lowenhaupt<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="+1">On 5/12/2016 1:19 AM,
Joly MacFie wrote:<br>
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at 12:09 AM, Thomas Lowenhaupt <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<p><font size="+1">The point I'm trying to make is: If
we've all accepted the multistakeholder model, how is
it that the local ALSes and individual Internet users
(residents and organizations as well) are left out of
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<p><font size="+1">Tom</font></p>
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size="+1">But are we? ALS's and individuals can join
RALOs, who inturn can influence the ALAC, who advise the
ICANN board.</font></div>
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size="+1">Or do you mean locally? Well, we elect our
representatives on the NYC City Council, who are subject
to their constituents, at least in theory.</font></div>
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size="+1">There was an advisory board for .nyc. It hardly
met, and the meetings it had were closed. You were on it.
It could've done something to break its chains if the will
was there, surely.</font></div>
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