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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Louis Houle
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ISOC Quebec
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 2016-02-13 08:34, Glenn McKnight a
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<div dir="ltr">I agree with Evan's comments that the level of
inquiry appears to be a bit evasive or or at least out of scope.
Evan's ALS as many of us wear multiple hats and full
disclosure could be misunderstood. In the defense of the process
of deep dive inquiry I think the intention has some validity as
to getting to know new organizations, especially as to their
composition and group endorsement. Very importantly is the role
of the substitute. In recent months for our engagement the
second contacts in our database tend to be irrelevant so the
process needs some serious rethink.
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<div>I am confident that ISOC Washington DC meets the current
ALS due diligence. New processes need to be discussed in
context to the ALS Review process. </div>
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<div>Glenn</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Glenn McKnight<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 8:01 AM, Evan
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ms,sans-serif">CLUE wholeheartedly supports the
application.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif">Frankly, I am puzzled why this particular
application demands a level of due diligence not
expended on other applications -- down to describing
unnamed members of the applicant involved in ICANN
through other channels.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif">Full disclosure: Within NARALO I am here
representing one ALS, the Canadian Linux User Exchange.
However, I am also a member of another ALS (GTALUG,
though I fear I may not have renewed properly since my
move), on the Board of Directors of a third (ISOC
Canada), and a participant in a fourth ALS not even in
this region (ISOC Switzerland).</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif">Am I in trouble?</div>
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ms,sans-serif">Is there a rule somewhere that demands
only one entry point, or even considers such broad
involvement a Bad Thing?</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif">Exactly when did such cross-participation
become an issue worth flagging?<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 12 February 2016 at 18:36,
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Nathalie,</div>
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this case I support the application.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 12,
2016 at 3:01 AM, Nathalie Peregrine <span
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Dear Joly and Judith,</div>
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The answer to 5d is in the
application form:<span
style="color:rgb(96,150,202);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px">d.
Are the leaders of your
organization, as individuals,
involved </span><span
style="color:rgb(96,150,202);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px">in
other similar organizations or
entities? "Yes</span></div>
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style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;margin:0px">
If yes, please say which ones: IGF,
IGF-USA, ICANN, etc"</p>
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The Youtube link is copied over two
lines, and therefore needs to be
copied and pasted into a browser: <span
style="color:rgb(4,47,239);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4buVHalBRoOTPG23ZZfndjPr1iHqznaa"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4buVHalBRoOTPG23ZZfndjPr1iHqznaa">https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4buVHalBRoOTPG23ZZfndjPr1iHqznaa</a></a></span></div>
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style="font-size:12px"> hope
this helps!</span></font></div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From:
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on behalf of "<a
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date:
</span>Friday, February 12, 2016
at 8:38 AM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To:
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:
</span>Re: [NA-Discuss] Seeking
Regional Advice for a New ALS<br>
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<div>Hi Joly,</div>
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<div>Thanks for your
comments. As we found out
there is no way to amend
the application so we
added an amendment. We had
seen several missing
pieces and flagged several
for questions to the
applicant. We will notate
this for our records. We
will be writing a paper to
give to Holly about
changes we would like to
see on the application so
if you or others have any
suggestion please do let
us know.</div>
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<div>Best,</div>
<div>Judith <br>
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Sent from my iPhone</div>
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style="font-size:small">In the application, not that it matters much,
there is no answer
to 5 d) and the
YouTube playlist
cited in 6 c) is not
found.</div>
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Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at
5:30 PM, Judith
Hellerstein <span
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ALSes,<br>
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We are seeking
Regional Advice
for a new ALS,
The Great
Washington DC
Internet Society
has applied to
be an ALS in
NARALO. I am
sending their
application to
you along with
an addendum for
regional
advice. As
Glenn and I
discovered there
are many
problems with
the current
application
process
especially as
you can not
amend the
application to
add in
additional
information. As
such we are
attaching an
addendum. I
have also added
some notes to
the
application.
Additionally,
the group has
Organization
Members who
provide
financial
support to the
organization and
have seats on
the Council.<br>
<br>
Also for
transparency
purposes we add
that the
Washington DC
ISOC chapter is
also involved
with another
ICANN
constituency,
they are a
member of NPOC.
However, there
is no real place
on the
application for
to show this.
Additionally, as
their by-laws
state
<span> </span><span><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.isoc-dc.org/by-laws-2015/"
target="_blank"><span
style="color:blue"></span></a><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.isoc-dc.org/by-laws-2015/"
target="_blank">http://www.isoc-dc.org/by-laws-2015/</a></span> , the
Executive
Director is a
paid position.
Remuneration
amounts were not
provided. My
hope is always
that all new
ALSes that join
NARALO will
become actively
involved and
join several
working groups
and committees.
Additionally one
of their Council
Members, Stephen
Miller is an
ICANN staff
member. Another
Council member
is already
heavily engaged
with NARALO
under a separate
ALS. She has
indicated to me
that she prefers
to remain
active with that
ALS and not with
ISOC DC.<br>
<br>
Please do let me
know by the end
of next week if
you support
having this
group join as an
ALS member. When
you write me,
please state the
ALS you are
representing to
we can have an
accurate count.
I look forward
to hearing from
you.<br>
<br>
Best Regards,<br>
Judith
Hellerstein<br>
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