[NA-Discuss] Building consensus on dealing with the election tie
Joly MacFie
joly at punkcast.com
Wed Jul 31 19:19:06 UTC 2013
I'm with Eduardo. Another vote.
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Eduardo Diaz
<eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com>wrote:
> I will go for another vote. If there is another draw, then the three ALAC
> members from the region will move into action. However, since this not in
> any rules we should reach consensus on this (on any other solution) before
> executing. I do not believe sharing is a good option.
>
> -ed
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 10:06 PM, Thompson, Darlene <DThompson1 at gov.nu.ca
> >wrote:
>
> > Ah, good question Alan,
> >
> > As we have been discussing for a while, there are quite a few areas in
> our
> > Rules of Procedure that need to be updated. So, I am thinking that if we
> > put a lot of time into a robust set of rules for this one matter, then we
> > will have to address all of the other matters later. This will prolong
> the
> > discussions on the list interminably on procedural matters. This would
> be
> > a real distraction from the actual policy work that the NARALO should be
> > focusing on. For that reason, I would be more in favour of dealing with
> > changes to the RoP all at once. So, I am leaning towards getting this
> > election over with and then a small subset can concentrate on re-drafting
> > the RoP for the NARALO's consideration while the rest of the group can
> > continue with important policy work.
> >
> > I am also seeing now that the problem with option #3 - sharing of work -
> > could be problematic if one of the candidates has no desire to do so.
> The
> > RALO cannot really force this. The Rules of Procedure already ALLOW for
> > it, so perhaps we need to have an either/or going forward. IF the tied
> > parties agree to work together, allow it. If not, then option #1 (random
> > selection) or #2 (vote by NARALO ALAC members) should be undertaken.
> This
> > would have to be something that the group would need to decide on prior
> to
> > re-holding the election although most seem to be leaning towards #2.
> >
> > I have already indicated my preferences in the above, so this is
> something
> > that the group needs to decide.
> >
> > D
> >
> > Darlene A. Thompson
> > CAP Administrator
> > N-CAP/Department of Education
> > P.O. Box 1000, Station 910
> > Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0
> > Phone: (867) 975-5631
> > Fax: (867) 975-5610
> > dthompson at gov.nu.ca
> > ________________________________________
> > From: Alan Greenberg [alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca]
> > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 3:50 PM
> > To: Thompson, Darlene; Bob Bruen; Thomas Lowenhaupt
> > Cc: NARALO Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Building consensus on dealing with the
> election
> > tie
> >
> > Thanks Darlene. There is no question that we need a obust set of
> > rules that can handle situations such as this. The only immediate
> > question, as I outlined in my earlier note, is do we need them for
> > THIS election.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > At 27/07/2013 03:18 PM, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
> > >Thank you Bob,
> > >
> > >Along this line, when NARALO was still new and nobody really knew
> > >what they were doing, Luc and I did just fine sharing
> > >responsibilities. We e-mailed back and forth a lot and just decided
> > >between us who would do what. It was pretty easy.
> > >
> > >NARALO has now grown a lot, as have the people within it. Each
> > >person brings their own talents and skills to the table. I think
> > >that Glenn and my talents are diverse enough that we should be able
> > >to divvy up the workload and actually be able to grow more
> > >initiatives for the region - each taking the lead in what they
> > >prefer or where their skills are. I am quite flexible and would, of
> > >course, do everything I can to make it work - as I always do. I do
> > >not think that we need the job to be "codified" as it is constantly
> > >changing as per the needs of the group.
> > >
> > >Having said that, I would also be in favour of the tie-breaker
> > >solution offered by the 3 ALAC members but my preference will always
> > >be to try to grow and expand the talent pool in the region.
> > >
> > >D
> > >
> > >Darlene A. Thompson
> > >CAP Administrator
> > >N-CAP/Department of Education
> > >P.O. Box 1000, Station 910
> > >Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0
> > >Phone: (867) 975-5631
> > >Fax: (867) 975-5610
> > >dthompson at gov.nu.ca
> > >________________________________________
> > >From: na-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> > >[na-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Bob Bruen
> > >[bruen at coldrain.net]
> > >Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 12:24 PM
> > >To: Thomas Lowenhaupt
> > >Cc: NARALO Discussion List
> > >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Building consensus on dealing with the
> election
> > tie
> > >
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > >Darlene has been at this job for long enough to know what to do. I
> expect
> > >that she and Glenn could figure out how to share the responsibilities,
> > >then let us know. They are both reasonable adults. If there is a
> problem,
> > >I am sure the Chair could be helpful in settling it.
> > >
> > >
> > > --bob
> > >
> > >On Sat, 27 Jul 2013, Thomas Lowenhaupt wrote:
> > >
> > > > I think the shared responsibility can work. But we must define
> specific
> > > > responsibilities and metrics for each co-secretary. These metrics
> > will be
> > > > quite helpful when the next election comes along, at least in
> > > evaluating the
> > > > performance of the cos.
> > > >
> > > > Tom Lowenhaupt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 7/27/2013 11:37 AM, Skuce, Allan wrote:
> > > >> I still prefer #3. What an opportunity to grow, lead by example, and
> > deal
> > > >> with the great workload. Cheers, Allan
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Dharma Dailey
> > > >> <dharma.dailey at gmail.com>wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Have we reached clarity on whether folks feel the job can be
> shared?
> > The
> > > >>> last message from Glenn, I recall, was along the lines of "looking
> > into
> > > >>> it." It might be easier on all parties if some of the details were
> > > >>> discussed before hand so no one is surprised re: who is doing what.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Dharma
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Jul 26, 2013, at 6:44 PM, "Thompson, Darlene" <
> > DThompson1 at GOV.NU.CA>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Hi all,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I would like to encourage all NARALO members to consider the
> options
> > > >>> that Evan has posited below and respond to same. Without consensus
> > we
> > > >>> cannot move forward on this issue.
> > > >>>> Thank you for your time on this!
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> D
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Darlene A. Thompson
> > > >>>> CAP Administrator
> > > >>>> N-CAP/Department of Education
> > > >>>> P.O. Box 1000, Station 910
> > > >>>> Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0
> > > >>>> Phone: (867) 975-5631
> > > >>>> Fax: (867) 975-5610
> > > >>>> dthompson at gov.nu.ca
> > > >>>> ________________________________________
> > > >>>> From: na-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [
> > > >>> na-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Evan
> > > Leibovitch [
> > > >>> evan at telly.org]
> > > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 4:44 PM
> > > >>>> To: NARALO Discussion List
> > > >>>> Subject: [NA-Discuss] Building consensus on dealing with the
> > > election tie
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Hello all,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I would like to suggest conducting a poll of NARALO members on the
> > best
> > > >>> way
> > > >>>> to deal with the tie for Secretariat resulting from the
> > recently-held
> > > >>> vote.
> > > >>>> While we need to revise our regulations regarding tie-breaking, we
> > have
> > > >>> an
> > > >>>> immediate need to resolve the current situation before the next
> > ICANN
> > > >>>> meeting.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Based on discussions I have heard to date, there are three paths
> to
> > > >>>> resolving this that have received some interest:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> 1. Random tie-break
> > > >>>> The votes for ALSs and unaffiliated members is re-held, and the
> > rules
> > > >>>> are modified. If another tie results, the tie is broken by a
> > random
> > > >>> method,
> > > >>>> supervised by at least two non-candidate members and/or
> At-Large
> > > >>>> staff.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> 2. Tie-break by NA-Region ALAC members
> > > >>>> The votes for ALSs and unaffiliated members is re-held and he
> > rules
> > > >>>> are
> > > >>>> modified. If another tie results, the tie is broken by a
> > consensus
> > > >>> achieved
> > > >>>> in private by the three ALAC members for North America (Alan,
> > Eduardo
> > > >>> and
> > > >>>> myself). Since there are three of us, no deadlock is allowed
> > there
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> 3. Shared Secretariat
> > > >>>> No new election is held, and NARALO declares both Darlene
> > > and Glenn as
> > > >>>> co-Secretariats. While there is no precedent for this in
> > > NARALO, there
> > > >>> is
> > > >>>> elsewhere in ICANN At-Large (both co-Chair and co-Secretariats
> > have
> > > >>> been
> > > >>>> done in other regions). The two would alternate travel to ICANN
> > > >>> meetings
> > > >>>> (though both would naturally be at the Summit in London). In
> the
> > case
> > > >>> that
> > > >>>> any of the North American At-Large leadership cannot attend a
> > meeting
> > > >>>> (Chair, travel-designated secretariat or ALAC member), the
> > > >>> "non-travelling"
> > > >>>> secretariat member would automatically be designated to take
> that
> > > >>> travel
> > > >>>> allocation. The rules may still be modified in case of future
> > ties,
> > > >>>> but
> > > >>>> such action is not required immediately.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> So I am proposing that, in advance of the next NARALO call, we
> > could do
> > > >>> an
> > > >>>> informal poll of members (by Bigpulse or Doodle) to gain a sense
> of
> > > >>>> preferences between these options that may help guide a regional
> > > >>> consensus
> > > >>>> on the August call.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Is this a workable plan? Are the options above a valid
> > representation of
> > > >>>> the ones discussed? (There are some other tie-break methods I have
> > > >>>> eliminated because of lack of support to date).
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I admit that when I started thinking about the tie I had not given
> > any
> > > >>>> thought to the shared secretariat idea, but it has grown on me
> > since.
> > > >>> There
> > > >>>> is a significant amount of work to do, and it would be IMO a shame
> > to
> > > >>> force
> > > >>>> an all-or-nothing tiebreak on two people with both popular
> > > support and an
> > > >>>> eagerness to do the job.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> - Evan
> > > >>>> ------
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