[NA-Discuss] Building consensus on dealing with the election tie

Houle Louis Louis.Houle at isocquebec.org
Sun Aug 4 01:33:22 UTC 2013


Hola Edouardo,

Will a new vote change the result?

Louis Houle
Présidentwould like to have a shared
La Société Internet du Québec (ISOC Québec)
Louis.Houle at isocquebec.org

Le 2013-07-31 09:44, Eduardo Diaz a écrit :
> I will go for another vote. If there is another draw, then the three ALACnew vote
> members from the region will move into action. However, since this not in
> any rules we should reach consensus on this (on any other solution) before
> executing. I do not believe sharing is a good option.
>
> -ed
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 10:06 PM, Thompson, Darlene <DThompson1 at gov.nu.ca>wrote:
>
>> Ah, good question Alan,
>>
>> As we have been discussing for a while, there are quite a few areas in our
>> Rules of Procedure that need to be updated.  So, I am thinking that if we
>> put a lot of time into a robust set of rules for this one matter, then we
>> will have to address all of the other matters later.  This will prolong the
>> discussions on the list interminably on procedural matters.  This would be
>> a real distraction from the actual policy work that the NARALO should be
>> focusing on.  For that reason, I would be more in favour of dealing with
>> changes to the RoP all at once.  So, I am leaning towards getting this
>> election over with and then a small subset can concentrate on re-drafting
>> the RoP for the NARALO's consideration while the rest of the group can
>> continue with important policy work.
>>
>> I am also seeing now that the problem with option #3 - sharing of work -
>> could be problematic if one of the candidates has no desire to do so.  The
>> RALO cannot really force this.  The Rules of Procedure already ALLOW for
>> it, so perhaps we need to have an either/or going forward.  IF the tied
>> parties agree to work together, allow it.  If not, then option #1 (random
>> selection) or #2 (vote by NARALO ALAC members) should be undertaken.  This
>> would have to be something that the group would need to decide on prior to
>> re-holding the election although most seem to be leaning towards #2.
>>
>> I have already indicated my preferences in the above, so this is something
>> that the group needs to decide.
>>
>> D
>>
>> Darlene A. Thompson
>> CAP Administrator
>> N-CAP/Department of Education
>> P.O. Box 1000, Station 910
>> Iqaluit, NU  X0A 0H0
>> Phone:  (867) 975-5631
>> Fax:  (867) 975-5610
>> dthompson at gov.nu.ca
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Alan Greenberg [alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca]
>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 3:50 PM
>> To: Thompson, Darlene; Bob Bruen; Thomas Lowenhaupt
>> Cc: NARALO Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Building consensus on dealing with the  election
>> tie
>>
>> Thanks Darlene. There is no question that we need a obust set of
>> rules that can handle situations such as this. The only immediate
>> question, as I outlined in my earlier note, is do we need them for
>> THIS election.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> At 27/07/2013 03:18 PM, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
>>> Thank you Bob,
>>>
>>> Along this line, when NARALO was still new and nobody really knew
>>> what they were doing, Luc and I did just fine sharing
>>> responsibilities.  We e-mailed back and forth a lot and just decided
>>> between us who would do what.  It was pretty easy.
>>>
>>> NARALO has now grown a lot, as have the people within it.  Each
>>> person brings their own talents and skills to the table.  I think
>>> that Glenn and my talents are diverse enough that we should be able
>>> to divvy up the workload and actually be able to grow more
>>> initiatives for the region - each taking the lead in what they
>>> prefer or where their skills are.  I am quite flexible and would, of
>>> course, do everything I can to make it work - as I always do.  I do
>>> not think that we need the job to be "codified" as it is constantly
>>> changing as per the needs of the group.
>>>
>>> Having said that, I would also be in favour of the tie-breaker
>>> solution offered by the 3 ALAC members but my preference will always
>>> be to try to grow and expand the talent pool in the region.
>>>
>>> D
>>>
>>> Darlene A. Thompson
>>> CAP Administrator
>>> N-CAP/Department of Education
>>> P.O. Box 1000, Station 910
>>> Iqaluit, NU  X0A 0H0
>>> Phone:  (867) 975-5631
>>> Fax:  (867) 975-5610
>>> dthompson at gov.nu.ca
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: na-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>> [na-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Bob Bruen
>>> [bruen at coldrain.net]
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 12:24 PM
>>> To: Thomas Lowenhaupt
>>> Cc: NARALO Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Building consensus on dealing with the election
>> tie
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Darlene has been at this job for long enough to know what to do. I expect
>>> that she and Glenn could figure out how to share the responsibilities,
>>> then let us know. They are both reasonable adults. If there is a problem,
>>> I am sure the Chair could be helpful in settling it.
>>>
>>>
>>>                --bob
>>>
>>> On Sat, 27 Jul 2013, Thomas Lowenhaupt wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think the shared responsibility can work. But we must define specific
>>>> responsibilities and metrics for each co-secretary.  These metrics
>> will be
>>>> quite helpful when the next election comes along, at least in
>>> evaluating the
>>>> performance of the cos.
>>>>
>>>> Tom Lowenhaupt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/27/2013 11:37 AM, Skuce, Allan wrote:
>>>>> I still prefer #3. What an opportunity to grow, lead by example, and
>> deal
>>>>> with the great workload. Cheers, Allan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Dharma Dailey
>>>>> <dharma.dailey at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Have we reached clarity on whether folks feel the job can be shared?
>>   The
>>>>>> last message from Glenn, I recall, was along the lines of  "looking
>> into
>>>>>> it."  It might be easier on all parties if some of the details were
>>>>>> discussed before hand so no one is surprised re: who is doing what.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dharma
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 26, 2013, at 6:44 PM, "Thompson, Darlene" <
>> DThompson1 at GOV.NU.CA>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to encourage all NARALO members to consider the options
>>>>>> that Evan has posited below and respond to same.  Without consensus
>> we
>>>>>> cannot move forward on this issue.
>>>>>>> Thank you for your time on this!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> D
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Darlene A. Thompson
>>>>>>> CAP Administrator
>>>>>>> N-CAP/Department of Education
>>>>>>> P.O. Box 1000, Station 910
>>>>>>> Iqaluit, NU  X0A 0H0
>>>>>>> Phone:  (867) 975-5631
>>>>>>> Fax:  (867) 975-5610
>>>>>>> dthompson at gov.nu.ca
>>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>>> From: na-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [
>>>>>> na-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Evan
>>> Leibovitch [
>>>>>> evan at telly.org]
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 4:44 PM
>>>>>>> To: NARALO Discussion List
>>>>>>> Subject: [NA-Discuss] Building consensus on dealing with the
>>> election tie
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to suggest conducting a poll of NARALO members on the
>> best
>>>>>> way
>>>>>>> to deal with the tie for Secretariat resulting from the
>> recently-held
>>>>>> vote.
>>>>>>> While we need to revise our regulations regarding tie-breaking, we
>> have
>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> immediate need to resolve the current situation before the next
>> ICANN
>>>>>>> meeting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Based on discussions I have heard to date, there are three paths to
>>>>>>> resolving this that have received some interest:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     1. Random tie-break
>>>>>>>     The votes for ALSs and unaffiliated members is re-held, and the
>> rules
>>>>>>>     are modified. If another tie results, the tie is broken by a
>> random
>>>>>> method,
>>>>>>>     supervised by at least two non-candidate members and/or At-Large
>>>>>>> staff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     2. Tie-break by NA-Region ALAC members
>>>>>>>     The votes for ALSs and unaffiliated members is re-held and he
>> rules
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>     modified. If another tie results, the tie is broken by a
>> consensus
>>>>>> achieved
>>>>>>>     in private by the three ALAC members for North America (Alan,
>> Eduardo
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>     myself). Since there are three of us, no deadlock is allowed
>> there
>>>>>>>     3. Shared Secretariat
>>>>>>>     No new election is held, and NARALO declares both Darlene
>>> and Glenn as
>>>>>>>     co-Secretariats. While there is no precedent for this in
>>> NARALO, there
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>     elsewhere in ICANN At-Large (both co-Chair and co-Secretariats
>> have
>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>     done in other regions). The two would alternate travel to ICANN
>>>>>> meetings
>>>>>>>     (though both would naturally be at the Summit in London). In the
>> case
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>     any of the North American At-Large leadership cannot attend a
>> meeting
>>>>>>>     (Chair, travel-designated secretariat or ALAC member), the
>>>>>> "non-travelling"
>>>>>>>     secretariat member would automatically be designated to take that
>>>>>> travel
>>>>>>>     allocation. The rules may still be modified in case of future
>> ties,
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>     such action is not required immediately.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I am proposing that, in advance of the next NARALO call, we
>> could do
>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> informal poll of members (by Bigpulse or Doodle) to gain a sense of
>>>>>>> preferences between these options that may help guide a regional
>>>>>> consensus
>>>>>>> on the August call.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is this a workable plan? Are the options above a valid
>> representation of
>>>>>>> the ones discussed? (There are some other tie-break methods I have
>>>>>>> eliminated because of lack of support to date).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I admit that when I started thinking about the tie I had not given
>> any
>>>>>>> thought to the shared secretariat idea, but it has grown on me
>> since.
>>>>>> There
>>>>>>> is a significant amount of work to do, and it would be IMO a shame
>> to
>>>>>> force
>>>>>>> an all-or-nothing tiebreak on two people with both popular
>>> support and an
>>>>>>> eagerness to do the job.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Evan
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