[NA-Discuss] Fw: Due Diligence complete- Regional Advice requested ALS applicant "(170) University Community Partnership for Social Action Research"
Houle Louis
Louis.Houle at oricom.ca
Mon Dec 3 20:44:51 UTC 2012
Hi Bob,
This is also what I had in mind. How do we make sure that undue
influence would not occur?
Louis Houle
Président
La Société Internet du Québec (ISOC Québec)
Louis.Houle at isocquebec.org
Le 2012-11-26 06:37, Bob Bruen a écrit :
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> Thanks. This sounds quite reasonable, "predominate," vs. an exact number.
>
> It does seem to support the idea that a chapter of an organization
> could still become and ALS, if the chapter had a level of independence
> from the central control organization. The whole organization would
> not be joining the RALO.
>
> It is not desirable to have an organization join several RALOs through
> local chapters, so that the central organization could acheieve undue
> influence.
>
> I guess that leaves us with the original question, but with a little
> more criteria for making an evaluation.
>
> --bob
>
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2012, Alan Greenberg wrote:
>
>> Bob, the relevant section of the ICANN Bylaws (
>> http://www.icann.org/en/about/governance/bylaws#XI -2.4, sub-section
>> i.2) read:
>>
>> The criteria and standards for the certification of At-Large
>> Structures shall
>> be established in such a way that participation by individual
>> Internet users
>> who are citizens or residents of countries within the
>> Geographic Region (as
>> defined in Section 5 of Article VI) of the RALO will
>> predominate in the
>> operation of each At-Large Structure within the RALO, while not
>> necessarily
>> excluding additional participation, compatible with the
>> interests of the
>> individual Internet users within the region, by others.
>>
>> The section of our ALS Criteria (
>> http://www.atlarge.icann.org/en/framework.htm) is
>> syntactically cleaner, but essentially the same:
>>
>> Be constituted so that participation by individual Internet
>> users who are
>> citizens or residents of countries within the Geographic Region
>> in which the
>> ALS is based will predominate in the ALS' operation. The ALS
>> may permit
>> additional participation by others that is compatible with the
>> interests of the
>> individual Internet users within the region.
>>
>> So the issue is who controls the ALS. At first glance, this
>> organization seems to
>> have much merit, but it is far less clear that the meet the actual
>> criteria. If they
>> had a North American "chapter", that would likely qualify. Or if due
>> to their support
>> from Arizona and Kitchener their membership just happens to be more
>> than 50% local.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> At 25/11/2012 08:30 PM, Bob Bruen wrote:
>> Hi Alan,
>>
>> Is there a requirement stating that members of an organization
>> must be
>> citizens of the Region at a minumum level to be permitted to be
>> an ALS in
>> that Region?
>>
>> Or is it that some measurement of control must be exercised
>> from within
>> the Region?
>>
>> I can understand the reasoning to have an ALS be part of the
>> Region, but
>> it seems counter intuitive to keep some international
>> organizations from
>> be members of a RALO. In some cases, international can still
>> mean within
>> a particular Region, but in other cases not.
>>
>> thanks, bob
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 25 Nov 2012, Alan Greenberg wrote:
>>
>> Not sure of the relevance of the question - ISOC is not ant
>> ALAS, not have they applied to be. ISOC local chapters which
>> are locally controlled are what we see within At-Large.
>>
>> Without knowing what percentage of their members are
>> citizens
>> of residents of North America, there is no way to know
>> whether they satisfy the prime ALAS membership criteria.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> At 25/11/2012 06:55 PM, Garth Bruen at Knujon.com wrote:
>> How is this different from ISOC?
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Bob Bruen" <bruen at coldrain.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 5:35 PM
>> To: "Houle Louis" <Louis.Houle at oricom.ca>
>> Cc: "Garth Bruen at Knujon.com"
>> <gbruen at knujon.com>; "NA Discuss"
>> <na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Fw: Due Diligence
>> complete- Regional Advice
>> requested ALS applicant "(170) University
>> Community Partnership for Social
>> Action Research"
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > This is from their website:
>> >
>> > "UCP-SARnet has been developed and sponsored by
>> the Department of
>> > Psychology, at Arizona State University (USA)
>> in close collaboration with
>> > the Centre for Community Based Research (CCBR)
>> in Kitchener (Canada),
>> > Warsaw School of Social Sciences and Humanities
>> in Warsaw (Poland), and
>> > other international partners. Initially
>> co-sponsored by the Centre for
>> > International Governance Innovations (CIGI),
>> UCP-SARnet is currently
>> > co-sponsored and hosted by IGLOO in Canada.
>> UCP-SARnet is also a member
>> > of the Global Alliance on Community Engaged
>> Research and is represented at
>> > the Global Alliance for ICT and Development."
>> >
>> > Of course, there could be more to it...
>> >
>> > --bob
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, 25 Nov 2012, Houle Louis wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Garth,
>> >>
>> >> From the little I know about UCP, it seems to
>> be a worldwide
>> >> organization, not North American! I wish I'm
>> wrong but...
>> >> At least (question 2-d), it's not controled by
>> a North American org.
>> >> Maybe the DD could be rephrased.
>> >>
>> >> Louis Houle
>> >> Président
>> >> La Société Internet du Québec (ISOC Québec)
>> >> Louis.Houle at isocquebec.org
>> >>
>> >> Le 2012-11-12 19:48, Garth Bruen at Knujon.com
>> a écrit :
>> >>> Due Diligence complete- Regional Advice
>> requested ALS applicant "(170)
>> >>> University Community Partnership for Social
>> Action Research"
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> From: ICANN At-Large Staff
>> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 6:19 PM
>> >>> To: Garth Bruen at Knujon.com ; Thompson,
>> Darlene
>> >>> Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff
>> >>> Subject: Due Diligence complete- Regional
>> Advice requested ALS applicant
>> >>> "(170) University Community Partnership for
>> Social Action Research"
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Dear Garth and Darlene,
>> >>>
>> >>> On the October 10th we received a NARALO ALS
>> application from
>> >>> "University Community Partnership for Social
>> Action Research". Please
>> >>> find the Due Diligence form attached.
>> >>>
>> >>> We kindly ask you to provide us with the
>> regional advice for this ALS in
>> >>> your capacity as NARALO Secretary. Your
>> advice will support the ALAC
>> >>> review on this application.
>> >>>
>> >>> According to our timeline for ALS
>> applications the due date for the
>> >>> regional advice is on 28/11/2012.
>> >>>
>> >>> We would like to remind you that the DD form
>> could contain sensitive
>> >>> information. Please read the form carefully
>> before sending it off to
>> >>> third parties.
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Gisella
>> Gruber-White, Matt Ashtiani,
>> >>> Julia Charvolen
>> >>>
>> >>> ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC
>> >>>
>> >>> E-mail: staff at atlarge.icann.org
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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