[NA-Discuss] Pre-registrations, next week's call, other issues

Beau Brendler beaubrendler at earthlink.net
Fri Jun 10 13:18:37 UTC 2011


Apologies for the delay in replying. We had severe storms here yesterday afternoon and I lost my power and Internet until this morning.

OK, let's do 9 a.m. EST. I will tell Marilyn and Seth.

For those of you who haven't seen the exchange between Olivier and Marc, here it is:

Dear Marc,

thank you for your letter of resignation which I accept with deep regret.

I appreciate that the time demands which are placed on ALAC members are
high when wishing to be involved fully in ALAC processes, RALOs and
At-Large grassroots input to ICANN. It is something which we all have to
struggle with.

I also share your concerns regarding decisions by national governments
and other factors external to ICANN. However, our mission in ICANN is
limited to the by-laws under which we operate and this mission is quite
focussed. The responsibilities which were defined to avoid a scattering
of resources, are listed in Articles XI.4.a and XI.4.j and surpassing
those limits, although tempting, is not something which the ALAC should
do. The responsibility of the ALAC is to make the voice of Internet
users heard in ICANN - and this has to be done with the scarce resources
which we are afforded, both in funding and in volunteer time.

I have enjoyed working with you on the Internet Town Hall in San
Francisco and hope that you will remain in contact with the ICANN
At-Large community. I know that many members have appreciated meeting
you and will look forward to keeping in touch.

However, with your resignation, your participation in the ICANN
Singapore meeting cannot be justified and after consultation with the
Executive Committee, it was decided to enable another At-Large member to
travel to Singapore.

I trust that you will understand this, and wish you every success in the
future.

Sincerely,

Olivier Crépin-Leblond
ALAC Chair


On 07/06/2011 21:36, Marc Rotenberg wrote :
> Dear Olivier,
>
> 	I am tendering my resignation from ALAC.
>
> 	Upon further consideration, I do not believe I have the
> considerable amount of time required to make a meaningful
> contribution to ALAC.
>
> 	I do believe that the Internet Town Hall, which we organized in
> conjunction with the recent meeting in San Francisco, provided the
> opportunity for a fresh perspective on Future Challenges facing
> users of the Internet. 
>
> 	I also believe that the decision of national governments to
> suspend access to the Internet poses a profound challenge to the
> freedom of Internet users that cannot be ignored.
>
> 	And I remain concerned about the technical and administrative
> obstacles that continue to consume so much of our valuable time and
> make it difficult for people to obtain even basic information about
> the work of ALAC.
>
> 	To be an effective representative of the individual Internet
> user, as the ALAC charter requires, the Committee should focus less
> on the organizational structure of ICANN and more on the needs and
> concerns of the Internet user. A clear vision can help transform an
> organization.
>
> 	Whether ALAC chooses to explore that possibility is now up to
> the Committee.
>
> 	I appreciated the opportunity to meet many fine individuals, and
> hope to see them again in the future. And I admire your dedication
> as Chair. I wish you the very best.
>
> 	I will attend the meeting in Singapore or not, based upon your
> preference.
>
> 						Sincerely,
>
>
> 						Marc Rotenberg
>

-- 
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD
http://www.gih.com/ocl.html


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-----Original Message-----
>From: Gordon Chillcott <gordontc at look.ca>
>Sent: Jun 10, 2011 7:41 AM
>To: Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com>
>Cc: Beau Brendler <beaubrendler at earthlink.net>, na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Pre-registrations, next week's call, other issues
>
>I can make it to a meeting on Monday morning, too.    Again, just let us
>know.
>
>Gordon
>
>
>On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 12:36 -0400, Eduardo Diaz wrote:
>> Beau:
>> 
>> I can make the call in the morning (EST). Just let us know. Thursday I am
>> going to be in transit to Singapore.
>> 
>> By the way, I did not see the note about Marc resigning.
>> 
>> -ed
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Beau Brendler <beaubrendler at earthlink.net>wrote:
>> 
>> > Greetings.
>> >
>> > 1. I am assuming everyone saw the note yesterday about Marc Rotenberg's
>> > resignation from his nom com slot on ALAC. I think this is a big loss to us
>> > and to the effort of improving relations with the NCSG/UC but we all know
>> > what it's like not to have enough time for this work.
>> >
>> > 2. I see some consensus over the past week on the possibility of sending a
>> > brief statement to ICANN on the pre-registration matter that, in effect,
>> > suggests it take a similar action to what was done a few years back, i.e., a
>> > sort of "consumer alert" (though the intended audience really would be
>> > businesses and entities interested in gTLDs). If so I will attempt to draft
>> > something brief over the next 24 hours and send it to the list for a quick
>> > round of feedback. If someone else would rather do that, let me know.
>> >
>> > 3. I believe there is a NA-RALO call scheduled for early next week. I will
>> > only be available to do that early Monday EST (say during the 9 a.m. to 12
>> > noon slot), but not again until Thursday, as I will be in transit to
>> > Singapore. Please let me know what you would like to do -- reschedule call,
>> > cancel, etc.
>> >
>> > 4. Don't forget that it would be very helpful for us attending the
>> > Singapore meeting to have some input from all of you on policy issues. I
>> > have collected what has been said so far (some of it ranging to issues
>> > outside policy development, such as recruitment), but there's certainly room
>> > for more requests/input.
>> >
>> > 5. I was not able to attend the recent call to discuss the budget. I
>> > believe we have had a chance to review the document -- NA-RALO got basically
>> > $5K to do a survey/study and another $1K to produce a recruitment video for
>> > YouTube and other venues -- all the other requests were turned down. We can
>> > communicate some more about whether it would be a good idea to try to
>> > convene an NARALO general assembly at the Toronto meeting, as there should
>> > be some travel funds to spare -- a number of us are within cheap travel
>> > distance from there.
>> >
>> > More when I have a chance...
>> >
>> > Beau
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > >From: Beau Brendler <beaubrendler at earthlink.net>
>> > >Sent: Jun 6, 2011 1:10 PM
>> > >To: ebw at abenaki.wabanaki.net, dannyyounger at yahoo.com
>> > >Cc: na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>> > >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Pre-registrations
>> > >
>> > >Eric B-W wrote:
>> > >
>> > >"offers of "pre-registration" by non-parties to registry
>> > >application projects are contrary to the public interest, and may harm the
>> > >targeted registry application projects, for which they have private
>> > redress."
>> > >
>> > >After three years in ALAC, I don't recall this topic coming up, or the
>> > ALAC making a statement on it.
>> > >
>> > >I would support drafting a statement that pre-registrations in this mode
>> > are contrary to public interest -- though as chair I don't want to step
>> > forward and do that without some discussion and consensus.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >-----Original Message-----
>> > >>From: ebw at abenaki.wabanaki.net
>> > >>Sent: Jun 6, 2011 9:50 AM
>> > >>To: dannyyounger at yahoo.com
>> > >>Cc: na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>> > >>Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Pre-registrations
>> > >>
>> > >>Danny,
>> > >>
>> > >>I do not know if the ALAC offered advice to the Board on the subject at
>> > >>some prior point in time.
>> > >>
>> > >>Similarly, I do not know if the ALAC has offered advice to the FTC or any
>> > >>other agency of a political jurisdiction on the subject at some prior
>> > point
>> > >>in time.
>> > >>
>> > >>If so, then I suppose that the ALAC advice can be checked for currency
>> > and
>> > >>either updated and referenced, or if current, simply referenced again.
>> > >>
>> > >>Application projects like the 2004 Catalan project, or the 2000
>> > Cooperatives
>> > >>project, should engage in communications to their prospective
>> > communities,
>> > >>as the default, the current situation, and still a problem for
>> > cooperatives,
>> > >>is that no practical alternative exists to Verisign's for-profit "com"
>> > label.
>> > >>
>> > >>How close pre-application communications offering pre-service
>> > information,
>> > >>and of necessity, to meet the ICANN direct fee and additional costs which
>> > >>are identified in the current DAG, also solliciting participation,
>> > whether
>> > >>unconditional, or in exchange for some current value, or expectation, can
>> > >>come to "pre-registration" of a hypothetical, I can't speculate upon.
>> > >>
>> > >>The United Domains campaign is clearly not an instance of a single
>> > application
>> > >>project, or a cooperating group such as ECLID (Scotland, Wales, Brittany,
>> > >>Galacia, and the Autonomous Basque Region) communicating to their
>> > respective
>> > >>communities.
>> > >>
>> > >>I'm not optimistic concerning ICANN's current CEO instructing staff
>> > counsel
>> > >>to make a determination that "pre-registration" volates the current
>> > registrar
>> > >>contract, but I think offers of "pre-registration" by non-parties to
>> > registry
>> > >>application projects are contrary to the public interest, and may harm
>> > the
>> > >>targeted registry application projects, for which they have private
>> > redress.
>> > >>
>> > >>Eric
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