[NA-Discuss] Two Years later, Dozens of Registrars Still in the Shadows
Garth Bruen at KnujOn
gbruen at knujon.com
Wed Dec 8 14:44:47 UTC 2010
<<Yes, we are an ICANN-accredited registrar supply services to
resellers.>>
You just said you were a reseller
<<We have always had a valid mailing address on our website.>>
Where?
<<We have always been ICANN compliant.>>
Staff just said otherwise
<<We can make our address easier for Garth to find if desired.>>
It's not about me, this is about adhering to the contract
Stay tuned for an announcement at noon
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Two Years later, Dozens of Registrars Still
> in the Shadows
> From: helen at dotalliance.com
> Date: Tue, December 07, 2010 10:25 pm
> To: "ICANN At-Large Staff" <staff at atlarge.icann.org>, gbruen at knujon.com
> Cc: "Carlton Samuels" <carlton.samuels at gmail.com>,
> na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
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>
> Hi!
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> Yes, we are an ICANN-accredited registrar supply services to resellers.
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> Please feel free to ask me directly if you have any questions.
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> We have always had a valid mailing address on our website.
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> We have always been ICANN compliant.
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> We can make our address easier for Garth to find if desired.
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> Sent from my BlackBerry and all typos are its fault!
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> Best regards, Helen
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> www.DotAlliance.com
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> -----Original Message-----
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> From: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff at atlarge.icann.org>
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> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 12:26:32
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> To: <gbruen at knujon.com>
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> Cc: Carlton Samuels<carlton.samuels at gmail.com>; <na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>; Helen<helen at dotalliance.com>; ICANNAt-Large Staff<staff at atlarge.icann.org>
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> Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] Two Years later, Dozens of Registrars Still in the Shadows
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> Hi Garth,
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> Compliance staff have sent the following information on DotAlliance:
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> According to our records, DotAlliance is an ICANN-accredited registrar. See
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> below:
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> DotAlliance Inc.
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> Registrar IANA ID
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> 1249
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> Registrar Corporation Type
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> Canada Corporation
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> RAA Version
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> 2009
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> Accreditation Date
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> 2009-07-01
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> Accreditation Expiration Date
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> 2014-06-30
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> URL
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> www.dotalliance.com
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> <https://connect.icann.org/,DanaInfo=www.dotalliance.com+>
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> It appears that they only have their email addresses posted on their website
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> but not postal address so they are deemed non-compliant.
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> Regards,
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> Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White,
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> Marilyn Vernon,
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> ICANN At-Large Staff
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> From: gbruen at knujon.com [mailto:gbruen at knujon.com]
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> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 5:50 AM
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> To: Helen; ICANN At-Large Staff
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> Cc: Carlton Samuels; na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
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> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Two Years later, Dozens of Registrars Still in the
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> Shadows
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> Hi Helen,
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> We're jumping from one problem to another. According to ICANN, you are a
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> Registrar: http://www.internic.net/registrars/registrar-1249.html
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> I think ICANN staff needs to clarify this immediately.
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> Which Registrar are you a reseller for if you are reseller?
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> -Garth
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> From: Helen <mailto:helen at dotalliance.com>
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> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 4:24 AM
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> To: gbruen at knujon.com
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> Cc: Michele Neylon :: Blacknight <mailto:michele at blacknight.ie> ; Carlton
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> Samuels <mailto:carlton.samuels at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Two Years later, Dozens of Registrars Still in the
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> Shadows
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> Hi Garth!
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> As a reseller we've never felt the address needs to be on the front page in
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> flashing neon lights.
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> But we have had the address on our website for years.. I believe from the
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> start!
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> In addition, all resellers do need to sign the registrant agreement so they
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> must look at it.
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> http://dotalliance.com/registrationagree.html#definitions
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> I will ask someone to look at putting it on the contact page if this is so
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> distressing, however we are not nor have ever been in breach with the RAA.
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> I wish I was able be in Columbia to see everyone, unfortunately an illness
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> in the family prevents this or even much of a peep out of me for a while.
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> Just remember ...someone owes me a beer in Frisco! :)
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> Best, Helen
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> www.DotAlliance.com
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> On 06/12/2010 5:30 AM, gbruen at knujon.com wrote:
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> I checked into the claims by Michele (or maybe I should address you as
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> "Blacknight"?) and my suspicions were confirmed. He has completely distorted
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> the issues and ignored the critical problem. Active Registrar, Compana,
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> Directi, DOTALLIANCE, EVERYONES INTERNET, NICCO, RESELLER SERVICES, UK2
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> GROUP, VOLUSION, YNOT DOMAINS, and OWN IDENTITY have not corrected the
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> problem as cited since June and ICANN compliance has not addressed the
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> issue. You've glossed over this.
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> You've also glossed over the fact that OnLineNIC was allowed to sign on to
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> the 2009 RAA without first complying and has not been held to comply since,
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> even through we were informed they would be held to the RAA after signing.
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> In our original report we expressed our concern the the other Registrars
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> would also be allowed to re-sign without meeting this requirement, and why
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> should they have to when it's not enforced? Why would they opt for public
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> disclosure when their competitors are not held by any standard? Does this
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> not concern you?
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> The RAA has become meaningless and the Internet user DESERVERS BETTER.
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> If you purport to be a leader in this community you'll expect better too.
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> --------------------------------------------------
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> From: "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" <mailto:michele at blacknight.ie>
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> <michele at blacknight.ie>
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> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 8:31 PM
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> To: "Carlton Samuels" <mailto:carlton.samuels at gmail.com>
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> <carlton.samuels at gmail.com>
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> Cc: <mailto:na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
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> <na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
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> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Two Years later, Dozens of Registrars Still in the
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> Shadows
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> I checked into the claims by Knujon and my suspicions were confirmed.
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> Of the registrars supposedly in breach 50% are NOT on the 2009 RAA. They
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> are, therefore, NOT in breach, so I wonder how long we will have to wait
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> for a corrected / updated version of this report
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> Regards
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> Michele
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> Mr. Michele Neylon
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> Blacknight
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> http://Blacknight.tel
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> Via iPhone so excuse typos and brevity
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> On 4 Dec 2010, at 23:14, "Carlton Samuels"
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> <mailto:carlton.samuels at gmail.com> <carlton.samuels at gmail.com>
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> wrote:
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> Garth:
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> I commend you and KnuJon for keeping at this issue. It is one thing to
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> be
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> the slacker in a contract. But the fact that ICANN fails to embrace its
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> duty of care to the community in ensuring that contracted parties live up
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> to
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> the terms and condition of contract remains scandalous.
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> The low hanging fruit of an explanation would be ignorance of its
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> commitment. But reason and good judgment suggests that this would be a
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> stretch for explanation. Time enough for ICANN to rise to the occasion
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> and
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> do its duty.
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> Carlton
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> [Chair, At-Large WHOIS WG]
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> 1. Two Years Later Dozens of Registrars Still in the Shadows
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> (Garth Bruen at KnujOn)
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> Message: 1
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> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 11:49:35 -0700
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> From: "Garth Bruen at KnujOn" <mailto:gbruen at knujon.com>
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> <gbruen at knujon.com>
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> Subject: [NA-Discuss] Two Years Later Dozens of Registrars Still in
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> the Shadows
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> To: na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
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> Folks,
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> In June of 2008 KnujOn reported that 70 Registrars did not have a
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> business address listed in the InterNIC Registrar Directory. Only after
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> reporting a month later that little had changed did ICANN perform a mass
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> update of the directory. On further inspection we found many of the
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> newly disclosed addresses were phantom locations, false addresses, and
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> PO boxes. This lead to a push to amend the RAA and require Registrar
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> location disclosure and resulted in RAA 3.16: "Registrar shall provide
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> on its web site its accurate contact details including a valid email and
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> mailing address." However, policy without policy enforcement is useless.
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> So far ICANN compliance has failed to enforce this rule even after being
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> provided with extensive evidence in June, 2010. In fact, several
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> Registrars cited five months ago for not posting their address have been
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> allowed to renew their accreditation without complying.
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> The following Registrars still do not disclose their address on their
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> website as required in RAA 3.16 and are in continued violation: Active
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> Registrar, Inc. (activeregistrar.com), COMPANA LLC (budgetnames.com),
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> Directi Internet Solutions Pvt. (publicdomainregistry.com), DOTALLIANCE
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> INC (dotalliance.com), EVERYONES INTERNET LTD. (resellone.net), NICCO
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> LTD. (nicco.com), RESELLER SERVICES INC. (ResellServ.com), UK2 GROUP
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> LTD. (uk2group.com), VOLUSION, INC. (volusion.com), YNOT DOMAINS CORP
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> (myorderbox.com), PREMIUM REGISTRATIONS SWEDEN
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> (premiumregistrations.com), AB CONNECT (hosteur.com), FUNPEAS MEDIA
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> VENTURES, LLC DBA DOMAINPROCESSOR.COM, DomainContext, Inc.
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> (isregistrar.com), NEW GREAT DOMAINS (newgreatdomains.com), ONLINENIC
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> INC. (onlinenic.com), OPEN SYSTEM LTD. (turbosite.com.br), OWN IDENTITY
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> INC (ownidentity.com), PACNAMES LTD (pacnames.com), QUANTUMPAGES
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> TECHNOLOGIES (ownregistrar.com), ULTRARPM INC. (metapredict.com), WEBAIR
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> INTERNET DEVELOPMENT (webair.com), ZOG MEDIA, INC. (zognames.com),
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> NAMEHOUSE, INC. (namehouse.net). The good news is that most of the 400
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> plus unique Registrars clearly provide their address in the home page
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> footer, a CONTACT US, or ABOUT US link and several Registrars cited in
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> June have since done so. Some Registrars bury the address in legal
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> documents, while we do not consider this compliant ICANN provides no
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> clear direction on where the address should be posted.
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> OnLineNIC is particularly troubling since their purported public
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> location is an empty lot in California with their true location being in
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> China, but only privately disclosed to ICANN. OnLineNIC's own domain
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> registration has been cited multiple times by KnujOn as being false.
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> Additionally, KnujOn has discovered that nine Registrars have
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> non-functional contact email addresses posted in the InterNIC directory:
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> RU-CENTER, Best Bulk Register (also has a breach notice for failure to
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> pay fees), Dynamic Network Services, Europe Domains, Homestead Limited,
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> HTTP.NET, Namescout, Hostmaster.ca, Nameshare Inc, and Universo Online.
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> Details of the email failures along with other results will be published
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> in our supplemental report on Monday December 6th.
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> RAA 3.16 is not the only unenforced contract obligation. In fact, most
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> of the RAA is unenforced with the exception being the Cardinal Sin of
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> failing to pay ICANN fees. KnujOn will actually detail an unprecedented
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> case in which a Registrar termination was reversed after back fees were
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> paid.
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> While Registrars control the content of their websites, ICANN really is
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> to blame for the failure to enforce the RAA and the anti-transparent
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> practice of having one Registrar directory for public consumption with
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> bad information and another internal list for their use.
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> Full article:
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> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20101203_two_years_later_dozens_of_registrars_
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> still_in_the_shadows/
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> -Garth
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> Garth Bruen
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> gbruen at knujon.com
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> http://www.knujon.com
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