<div dir="ltr"><div>Estimado Alejandro,</div><div>en la reunión de Kobe se realizó un taller por parte de ALAC que tocaba este tema, en el cual ademas de miembros de At-large también estuvieron invitados miembros de Cuerpos de seguridad (Interpol entre otros) y miembros del GNSO - NCUC para el tema de derechos humanos. Lo que puso en relevancia el balance que queremos tener entre seguridad y derechos humanos.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Te copio los enlaces de audio y adobe de esa reunión:</div><div></div><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-2056859342179936886m_7126243755659843703m_7943766461732186308gmail-m_8383867249369804585EmailStyle19">El audio, el chat de Adobe Connect y las transcripciones están aquí:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">La grabación del Adobe Connect esta aquí: <a href="https://64.schedule.icann.org/meetings/961989" target="_blank">
https://64.schedule.icann.org/meetings/961989</a><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Te copio así mismo el enlace a la agenda esta reunión:
<a href="https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Meetings+-+Sunday%2C+10+March+2019" target="_blank">
https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Meetings+-+Sunday%2C+10+March+2019</a> <br></p><p class="MsoNormal">ya que incluye una presentación de parte de Johnathan Zuck que tiene dos enlaces, donde están datos como los que te solicitan en el texto ("
A<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">lthough, some data to support
this would be great. For instance how many attacks did WHOIS actually
identify and stop out of the total? The perpetrators where were they
situated? <span style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">For documentation purposes, I think clear examples of the <i>adverse
consequences for investigations into terrorist activities, political
influence campaigns and cybercrimes, creating serious threats to public
safety</i>. Would be a good way of configuring some degree of negotiation or compromise</span></span>").</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Espero esto ayude como punto de partida. <br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Saludos</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Ricardo Holmquist</p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El mié., 12 jun. 2019 a las 21:43, Alejandro Pisanty (<<a href="mailto:apisanty@gmail.com" target="_blank">apisanty@gmail.com</a>>) escribió:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Colegas de LACRALO,<div><br></div><div>la discusión sobre la relación DGPR, whois y seguridad en ISOC México ha producido las siguientes consideraciones de una de nuestras socias. ¿Algo entre Uds. mientras tanto? Añado que estoy buscando las métricas que ella pide, de las cuales algunos de Uds. ya tienen conocimiento si han participado en las discusiones sobre este tema y sobre "nuevo whois". Copio el texto en inglés, como nos lo proporcionó nuestra socia, atento a respuestas y reacciones:</div><div><br></div><div>Saludos,</div><div><br></div><div>Alejandro Pisanty</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black;font-size:11pt;text-align:justify">Comment on ICAAN and GDPR</span></div><p style="color:black;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:windowtext"></span></p><p style="color:black;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I understand the concerns that are being presented. Although, some data to support this would be great. For instance how many attacks did WHOIS actually identify and stop out of the total? The perpetrators where were they situated? <span style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">For documentation purposes, I think clear examples of the <i>adverse consequences for investigations into terrorist activities, political influence campaigns and cybercrimes, creating serious threats to public safety</i>. Would be a good way of configuring some degree of negotiation or compromise. The issues and threats mentioned of "Russian hackings" occurred even without GDPR in place.</span></span></p><p style="color:black;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">All these questions are relevant because they are highly related with the actual application of GDPR, which has as a primary goal to protect European citizens and at its core to guarantee commercial exchanges with the European Union.</span></p><p style="color:black;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">One of the main concerns in GDPR are automated decision making patterns, and this makes the issue very pertinent, even so if these are meant to target terrorists. </span></p><p style="color:black;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Although it is important to state that GDPR is not completely clear, there is some ambiguity when it comes to the actual definition of what is personal data. Can it be considered personal data, when perpetrators are actually using fake names and accounts?</span></p><p style="color:black;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Yes, I agree that partnerships between the private and the public sector are required, but these must be carefully managed, a public data base, that is subject to automated decision making if it treats European citizens, should use dispositions that are required by law. </span></p><p style="color:black;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Additionally, as long as there is no "universal" data Privacy legislation in the USA, it will be very difficult to come to a consensus as to GDPR and its application across borders. Currently, companies in the US, have decided what standard they apply, what focus and where. Meaning if if GDPR inside the US, or just for their dealings with Europe."</span></p><br class="gmail-m_-2056859342179936886gmail-m_7126243755659843703gmail-m_7943766461732186308gmail-m_-4564314727352512089gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 2:45 AM Alejandro Pisanty <<a href="mailto:apisanty@gmail.com" target="_blank">apisanty@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Colegas,</div><div><br></div><div>en extensión a lo observado en la teleconferencia de hoy del WG sobre GDPR y whois de LACRALO, y por considerarlo de interés general, señalo aquí la nota de David Piscitello, </div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://apwg.org/830-2/" target="_blank">https://apwg.org/830-2/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>En ésta se pueden observar argumentos sólidos acerca de la pérdida de algunas funciones importantes de la gestión del DNS para la seguridad en Internet, que en nuestra región podrían tener un balance diferente que en otras en relación con otros objetivos de la GDPR y las interpretaciones dominantes de los efectos que dicha regulación debe tener sobre la funcionalidad de "whois" y sus sucesores. Ojalá sea de interés. Recomiendo discutirlo con los especialistas en seguridad informática, seguridad de la información, seguridad de Internet y ciberseguridad miembros de o cercanos a sus organizaciones.</div><div><br></div><div>Alejandro Pisanty</div></div>
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