<div dir="ltr">Niran,<div><br></div><div>I have referred to the geography as "subregion" in an attempt to keep the LAC region of ICANN in communication at the ground level of our organizations and people; to maintain the long-term, big-picture view. The policy of including people from different subregions in CROPP activity was made long ago as a good-faith way to actively avoid the looming splintering among organizations with claims for representation in the region. The unity of the region has been recognized recently by the "regions study" and there is little wiggle room there (all that is available must be used, of course.)</div><div><br></div><div>I deliberately have left out any nominations of individuals in order to leave open the possibility of volunteers who can effectively bridge the many different conditions we all face. I am not a volunteer for this activity. </div><div><br></div><div>Other participations in this discussion have given a different kind of signal. After months of silence and abstaining from an election we now have a couple of messages, one line of which is asking for travel support and the other stereotyping negatively a large part of our community. That, for me, is a conversation-stopper. I hope those able to travel to Marrakech can meet in a constructive mood and achieve face-to-face the communication that is hard to achieve by email and has been proven impossible just now. I am out except for the need to reply to unmotivated, unfair attacks such as have already been read again today. It seems that we are back into the terrain where an intervention of third parties has been called for and must wait till that is resolved.</div><div><br></div><div>I am sad that your potentially good-faith question to me has been drowned out by others. We almost got something constructive going.</div><div><br></div><div>Yours,</div><div><br></div><div>Alejandro Pisanty</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:31 PM, Niran Beharry <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nbeharrytt@gmail.com" target="_blank">nbeharrytt@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">So <span style="font-size:12.8px">Alejandro are you suggesting that someone outside the region mentor </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">Derisma Queslin along with all the unique economic, cultural and historical challenges we experience in the Caribbean, and if so who do you suggest ? Or are you just taking an ideological stance practical and realistic benefits for that person </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">and the overall goals and outcomes for CROPP</span><span style="font-size:12.8px"> be damned ?</span><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Niran Beharry<br></span><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 9:18 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com" target="_blank">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span><br>
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</span> Subject: Re: RES: Event Caribnog in Jamaica<br>
from: <a href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com" target="_blank">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</a><br>
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Really now!<br>
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I have retreated From this list it depresses the spirit Because .... and take<br>
<span> away from the quality of my life.<br>
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</span> May be the member from Ibero-America is in a time zone 12 hours That Is<br>
<span> ahead of us. But the record will show this is yet another example of the<br>
</span> LACRALO [former] leadership tendency to dictatorial Franco-style Behaviour.<br>
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And Why They no longer enjoy my respect. Or acknowledgment.<br>
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This well know. The rump That is LACRALO leadership will never be allowed<br>
to define the Caribbean's experience or ITS needs. PERIOD.<br>
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I am Jamaican. I know what is happening in Jamaica and the Caribbean at<br>
</span> large. Quite apart from the fact We were never Consulted, the proposal<br>
CROPP for Derisma under Queslin to Attend CaribNOG major shows<br>
<span> deficiencies. And a woeful ignorance of our situation.<br>
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</span> Most CaribNOG are Inglés-speaking attendees.The senior leadership of<br>
<span> CaribNOG are very much aware of the technical aspects of ICANN engagement;<br>
</span> Bevil Wooding check out here:<br>
<a href="http://www.root-dnssec.org/tcr/selection-2010/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.root-dnssec.org/tcr/selection-2010/</a><br>
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I do not know Derisma Queslin. But I can Assure You That Given the goals of<br>
CROPP, I am not aware That Derisma Queslin have the experience or previous<br>
Involvement in ICANN and ICANN At-Large to Effectively execute outreach to<br>
Inglés-speaking Caribbean mostly At-Large interests on the Behalf of ICANN<br>
At-Large.<br>
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CROPP has a residual purpose of outreach and engagement. So We Could make a<br>
very weak case for Derisma Queslin to Attend With the goal of Having That<br>
Become more person engaged in ICANN At Large. But absent direct mentoring,<br>
That goal would not likely to be successfully Realized.<br>
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The Proposal Submitted By Jacqueline Morris falls inline Directly With The<br>
Desired goals and outcomes for CROPP. My friend and colleague Bevil<br>
Wooding is the convenor and in chareg of the book at CaribNOG. Jacqueline<br>
Already have a speaking slot at assured CaribNOG 11 THUS raising the<br>
profile of ICANN At-Large at CaribNOG 11.Jacqueline Could Also mentor<br>
<span> Derisma and make introductions to the attendees at CaribNOG.<br>
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</span> We Have Given CROPP available slots, the goals and outcomes of CROPP can be<br>
Realized by sending Both Proposals. The proposal for Desirma Queslin May be<br>
<span> updated to focus on engagement and the proposal for Jacqueline Morris<br>
</span> Continues to focus on outreach and she can mentor Also as described Derisma<br>
earlier.<br>
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Samuels -Carlton<br>
<span> The University of the West Indies<br>
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Carlton A Samuels<br>
Mobile: <a href="tel:876-818-1799" value="+18768181799" target="_blank">876-818-1799</a><br>
</span> * Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment &amp; Turnaround *<br>
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On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 11:07 AM Jacqueline Morris <<a href="mailto:jam@jacquelinemorris.com" target="_blank">jam@jacquelinemorris.com</a><br>
<span>> wrote:<br>
> Hi everyone<br>
> The Outreach meeting information indicated that the deadline for<br>
> submitting a CROPP application was March 2nd, which is today. I've<br>
> submitted mine, but it seems from this thread that the decision has<br>
> already been made, albeit before the due date? I really hope that given<br>
> that my submission was done in advance of the date, my application is<br>
> considered for this outreach event.<br>
> Sincerely<br>
> Jacqueline Morris<br>
><br>
> Jacqueline A. Morris<br>
> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and<br>
</span>> Free. (after Chris Lehmann <<a href="http://twitter.com/chrislehmann" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/chrislehmann</a>> )<br>
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> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:26 PM, <<a href="mailto:sylvia@internautabrasil.org" target="_blank">sylvia@internautabrasil.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> Subject: RES: Event Caribnog in Jamaica<br>
>> from: <a href="mailto:sylvia@internautabrasil.org" target="_blank">sylvia@internautabrasil.org</a><br>
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>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:sylvia@internautabrasil.org" target="_blank">sylvia@internautabrasil.org</a>> <a href="mailto:sylvia@internautabrasil.org" target="_blank">sylvia@internautabrasil.org</a><br>
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>> ALAC-LACRALO Delegate to NomComm 2014-2016<br>
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>> One World, One Internet<br>
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>> ex - LACRALO Secretary-ICANN / 2012-2014 -<br>
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>> ex - ALAC Member 2009-2011 - <<a href="http://atlarge.icann.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://atlarge.icann.org/</a>><br>
>> <a href="http://atlarge.icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://atlarge.icann.org</a><br>
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>> Skype: sylvia_leite<br>
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>> Assinatura_Sylvia_Internautabrasil<br>
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>> From: <a href="mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a> [mailto:<br>
>> <a href="mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>] Em nome of Humberto<br>
>> Carrasco<br>
>> Posted in: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 21:16<br>
>> To: Alejandro Pisanty<br>
>> Cc: LACRALO<br>
>> Assunto: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Event Caribnog in Jamaica<br>
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>> Alexander,<br>
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>> A very wise decision in my view.<br>
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>> Cheers<br>
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>> Sent from my iPhone<br>
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>> The 01/03/2016, at 8:58 pm, Alejandro Pisanty <<a href="mailto:apisanty@gmail.com" target="_blank">apisanty@gmail.com</a>> He<br>
>> wrote:<br>
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>> Alberto, all / as,<br>
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>> I applaud this decision by the procedure, criteria, organization and the<br>
>> person appointed. A good result of your action to diversify the presence of<br>
>> the neediest organizations in the Caribbean.<br>
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>> Alejandro Pisanty<br>
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>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Alberto Soto <<a href="mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org" target="_blank">asoto@ibero-americano.org</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
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>> Dear all, Dev.<br>
>> Below the link with the application for the event in Montego Bay,<br>
>> Jamaica.<br>
>> Derisma concur Queslin, member of the Association des Haitienne<br>
>> Internautes Haiti. This will allow our ALS, which resides in a country<br>
>> with poor communications, make contact with the various sponsors and<br>
>> concurrent. It is requested that ALS had a technical profile for<br>
>> be commensurate to the level of the event.<br>
>> You get a specific view of the region, and may disseminate<br>
>> ALS develops its activities, LACRALO and ICANN.<br>
>> I'll send to the event venue, media materials and LACRALO<br>
>> I CAN.<br>
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>><br>
>> Best regards<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Alberto Soto<br>
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>> <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/croppfy16/LACRALO+Trip+Proposal+1+DRAFT" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/display/croppfy16/LACRALO+Trip+Proposal+1+DRAFT</a><br>
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>> -----Original message-----<br>
>> From: <a href="mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br>
>> [Mailto: <a href="mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>] On behalf of<br>
>> Alberto<br>
>> copse<br>
>> Posted on: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 9:39 a.m.<br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br>
>> CC: 'LACRALO discussion list' <<a href="mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] The results of the LACRALO call O &amp; E<br>
>> on Thursday 25 February 2016<br>
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>> Dear, we are working on the designation of who will attend this<br>
>> event. This form will be filed with the applicant designated in the<br>
>> today or tomorrow.<br>
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>> Best regards<br>
>><br>
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>> Alberto Soto<br>
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>><br>
>> -----Original message-----<br>
>> From: <a href="mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br>
>> [Mailto: <a href="mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>] On behalf of<br>
>> Posted<br>
>> on: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 9:01 a.m.<br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br>
>> CC: LACRALO discussion list <<a href="mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: Results of the LACRALO call O &amp; E on Thursday 25<br>
>> February 2016<br>
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>> Subject: Re: Results of the LACRALO call O &amp; E on Thursday 25<br>
>> February 2016<br>
>> From: <a href="mailto:devtee@gmail.com" target="_blank">devtee@gmail.com</a><br>
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>> Thanks Jacqueline, here is how LACRALO CROPP to be filled<br>
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>> <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/croppfy16/LACRALO+Trip+Proposal+1+DRAFT" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/display/croppfy16/LACRALO+Trip+Proposal+1+DRAFT</a><br>
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>> The materials can be sent to headquarters by the ICANN staff,<br>
>> provided advance notice. Outreach and Participation SC<br>
>> wiki has a page to keep track of such materials<br>
>> broadcasting applications.<br>
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>> dev Anand<br>
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>> The Sun February 27, 2016 at 18:01, Jacqueline Morris <<br>
>> <a href="mailto:jam@jacquelinemorris.com" target="_blank">jam@jacquelinemorris.com</a>><br>
>> He wrote:<br>
>> > Hi everyone<br>
>> > I can be available for the CaribNog meeting. It luckily falls exactly<br>
>> > in<br>
>> > days between the UTT and UWI exam periods. Can materials etc be<br>
>> > shipped directly to the venue? The overlap on April 20th between ARIN<br>
>> > and CaribNog seems serendipitous as well. Sounds like a great<br>
>> opportunity<br>
>> > Jacqueline<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Jacqueline A. Morris<br>
>> > Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and<br>
>> > (after Chris Lehmann )<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh<br>
>> > wrote:<br>
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>> >> Dear All,<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> The LACRALO members of the Outreach and Engagement SC (LAC O&E) had a<br>
>> >> on<br>
>> >> Thursday 25 February 2016 ( <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/UxmAAw" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/x/UxmAAw</a>)<br>
>> >> Together with the LACRALO chair and secretariat reviewed the LAC<br>
>> >> Outreach events calendar maintained by the LAC O &amp; E<br>
>> >> (<a href="Http://bitly.com/LAC-Outreach-Calendar-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">Http://bitly.com/LAC-Outreach-Calendar-List</a>) for possible outreach<br>
>> >> Events That Could be used for CROPP Proposals.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Three Proposals Were Identified as suitable candidates for using<br>
>> CROPP:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> CaribNOG (Jamaica) - April 20 to April 22 LACNIC 26 (Cuba) - May 2<br>
>> >> To May 6 First Latin American and Caribbean Forum (Colombia) - May 17<br>
>> >> To May 18<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> For the CaribNOG event, no traveler was on the call Suggested.<br>
>> >> Suggestions?<br>
>> >> A request for CaribNOG CROPP needs to be filed around March 2, 2016.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> For the LACNIC 26, Cuba, Harold Suggested Arcos was.<br>
>> >> A request for LACNIC needs CROPP filed by March to July 2016.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> For the Latin American and Caribbean Forum in Colombia, it was<br>
>> >> Suggested That a speaker, Shiva Bissessar Could speak on<br>
>> >> Cybersecurity At this event using a CROPP proposal. A request CROPP<br>
>> >> For This proposal needs to be filed by March 29 2016.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> It was NOTED That Bartlett Morgan HAD Obtained a fellowship to SSGI<br>
>> >> 2016 from March 29 to April 2016 January 2016 so I would need some<br>
>> >> Outreach materials before then.<br>
>> >><br>
>> Dev Anand &gt;&gt;<br>
>> >> _______________________________________________<br>
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