<p dir="ltr">A veces hay que leer sandeces...<br>
Por favor, elevemos el nivel del debate.<br>
Gracias anticipadas,<br>
Sergio Bronstein</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">El 23/07/2015 17:55, <<a href="mailto:devtee@gmail.com">devtee@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
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Asunto: Re: ¿Es éste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff<br>
De: <a href="mailto:devtee@gmail.com">devtee@gmail.com</a><br>
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Para seguir en la hipocresía ( <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy</a>)<br>
comentarios re: conflicto de intereses.<br>
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Esto es lo que está en el perfil de Sergio Salinas Porto:<br>
<a href="https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto</a><br>
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&quot;El señor Salinas Porto está involucrado en una serie de otras organizaciones internacionales y<br>
organizaciones y proyectos regionales; él es un miembro del Foro para<br>
Democrática y Popular de Comunicación, Secretaría de Mar de Plata<br>
Comunicación para la Central de Trabajadores Argentinos, y el Jefe de Nuevo<br>
Tecnologías y Negocios de la Asamblea de Pequeños y Medianos<br>
Mar división de Empresarios de Plata &quot;.<br>
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Entonces, ¿cómo es que Sergio no tiene un conflicto de interés por ser<br>
LACRALO como un &quot;usuario de negocio&quot;, ya que está involucrado con la Asamblea de<br>
Pequeños y medianos empresarios?<br>
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Saludos,<br>
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Dev Anand Teelucksingh<br>
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El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 5:44 de la tarde, Carlton Samuels <<a href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</a>><br>
escribió:<br>
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> My friend Alejando, I'm going to irritate you some more with rhetoric. And<br>
> do please accept I am using the classic [English] meaning of the word.<br>
><br>
> What is alleged is purely unfortunate bullshit.<br>
><br>
> Lance Hinds is articulated to ICANN via an MOU with ICANN and caucus with<br>
> the At-Large and LACRALO as a representative of DevNet; he's the Chairman<br>
> and its representative to LACRALO.<br>
><br>
> Devnet is a non-governmental organisation that provides ICT development<br>
> services to those who are on the poor side of the digital divide. DevNet<br>
> thusly represents end user interests. Think of Devnet as Guyana's version<br>
> Internauta Usarios etc. etc.<br>
><br>
> The man is President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce by virtue of<br>
> his ownership of a small business; Brainstreet Technologies. He derives<br>
> his income, his living wage, principally from that business. He DOES NOT<br>
> get paid as President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce.<br>
><br>
> Here's the issue. It is not unusual for those of us in the Caribbean to<br>
> have many lives; its called responding to capacity deficit. To say that<br>
> Lance cannot be a businessman and also represent end user interests when<br>
> he's Chairman of an NGO - the one thru which he's connected to the ICANN<br>
> system - just looks delusional for some of us.<br>
><br>
> At least for those of us in the Caribbean who are volunteers for one thing<br>
> or other.<br>
><br>
> -Carlton<br>
><br>
><br>
> ==============================<br>
> Carlton A Samuels<br>
> Mobile: <a href="tel:876-818-1799" value="+18768181799">876-818-1799</a><br>
> *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround*<br>
> =============================<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <<br>
> <a href="mailto:apisan@unam.mx">apisan@unam.mx</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Carlton,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable<br>
>> conflict of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the<br>
>> election was in course.<br>
>><br>
>> Simple. No rhetoric needed.<br>
>><br>
>> Alejandro Pisanty<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br>
>> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty<br>
>> Facultad de QuÃmica UNAM<br>
>> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> <a href="tel:%2B52-1-5541444475" value="+5215541444475">+52-1-5541444475</a> FROM ABROAD<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="tel:%2B525541444475" value="+525541444475">+525541444475</a> DESDE MÉXICO SMS <a href="tel:%2B525541444475" value="+525541444475">+525541444475</a><br>
>> Blog: <a href="http://pisanty.blogspot.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://pisanty.blogspot.com</a><br>
>> LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty</a><br>
>> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,<br>
>> <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614</a><br>
>> Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/apisanty" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/apisanty</a><br>
>> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, <a href="http://www.isoc.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.isoc.org</a><br>
>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .<br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>> *Desde:* <a href="mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org">lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a> [<br>
>> <a href="mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org">lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>] en nombre de Carlton<br>
>> Samuels [<a href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</a>]<br>
>> *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03<br>
>> *Hasta:* <a href="mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org">lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br>
>><br>
>> *CC:* Albert Daniels<br>
>> *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against<br>
>> At-Large Staff<br>
>><br>
>> I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO<br>
>> is debilitating.<br>
>><br>
>> I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so<br>
>> cannot depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what<br>
>> I must by avoiding vexations to my spirit.<br>
>><br>
>> But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just<br>
>> too much and I must break my silence.<br>
>><br>
>> In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit:<br>
>><br>
>> Definitions of bullshit<br>
>> noun<br>
>> stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense.<br>
>> verb<br>
>> talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ​It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large<br>
>> staff in this instance and I will tell you why.<br>
>><br>
>> Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will<br>
>> repeat it here for effect.<br>
>><br>
>> In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and<br>
>> where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all<br>
>> other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. ​<br>
>><br>
>> But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process<br>
>> is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best.<br>
>><br>
>> We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the<br>
>> nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election<br>
>> process into question.<br>
>><br>
>> So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come<br>
>> along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a<br>
>> poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the<br>
>> first place!<br>
>><br>
>> As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for<br>
>> other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action.<br>
>><br>
>> Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome<br>
>> after trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk<br>
>> of reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here.<br>
>><br>
>> Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good<br>
>> Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy.<br>
>><br>
>> In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed<br>
>> colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated<br>
>> unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for<br>
>> the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single<br>
>> 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and<br>
>> expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very<br>
>> important ICANN councils.<br>
>><br>
>> I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to<br>
>> muddy the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris<br>
>> being de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do<br>
>> then.<br>
>><br>
>> With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And<br>
>> the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for Lance<br>
>> Hinds.<br>
>><br>
>> It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is<br>
>> because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place.<br>
>><br>
>> Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now<br>
>> erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 'impropriety'<br>
>> raised!<br>
>><br>
>> So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume<br>
>> the guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even<br>
>> asleep at the switch.<br>
>><br>
>> Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other<br>
>> operating conditions are applied.<br>
>><br>
>> Go figure.<br>
>><br>
>> -Carlton Samuels<br>
>><br>
>> ==============================<br>
>> Carlton A Samuels<br>
>> Mobile: <a href="tel:876-818-1799" value="+18768181799">876-818-1799</a><br>
>> *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround*<br>
>> =============================<br>
>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
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