[lac-discuss-es] Alcance y Compromiso SC
Alberto Soto
asoto en ibero-americano.org
Mie Ene 20 14:50:49 UTC 2016
Gracias Dev.
Estimados, sugiero que pierdan un poco de tiempo y lean las transcripciones
y escuchen los audios, hay cosas muy , pero muy interesantes.
Respecto de la propuesta para Surinam, de estas transcripciones se desprende
que el día 14 de abril del 2014 aún no había sido presentada, y el evento
estaba previsto para el 5 y 6 de Junio del mismo año, es decir no cumplía el
plazo de ocho semanas previsto en el programa CROPP. Pedí aclaración de
quien presentaba el pedido, y Dev respondió que él lo haría. Igualmente
aceptamos con Humberto.
También de estos links y de sus documentos agregados, se desprende que para
Haití y República Dominicana estaba previsto que viajaran Sebastien Bacholet
(por su dominio del francés) y yo propuse a Dev. Este dijo que no podría
viajar por razones de no disponibilidad de tiempo, y se consensuó que iría
Sylvia Herlen Leite. Luego, como Sebastien no pertenece a nuestra Región,
el programa CROPP no permitía su asistencia. Busqué a alguien de nuestra
Región y lo encontré, pero no fue aceptado. Dos integrantes se retiraron del
grupo de trabajo, y Sylvia propuso que viajara el Presidente de LACRALO,
como finalmente se definió.
Respecto del viaje de Dev a ICANN Buenos Aires, el mismo nos solicitó a
Humberto y a mí la autorización para utilizar una plaza. Al menos yo entendí
que era una plaza de otro multistakeholder, pero si nos pedía autorización a
nosotros, se convertía en otra plaza para LACRALO. Y Aceptamos. Si no era de
LACRALO, no era necesaria nuestra autorización.
No voy a volver sobre estos temas, hasta tanto tenga una respuesta del Chair
de ALAC.
Saludos cordiales
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[mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces en atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de
devtee en gmail.com
Enviado el: miércoles, 20 de enero de 2016 1:57
Para: lac-discuss-es en atlarge-lists.icann.org
Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] Alcance y Compromiso SC
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Asunto: Re: Alcance y Compromiso SC
De: devtee en gmail.com
queridos todos
Sólo para corregir algunas de las inexactitudes en las alegaciones de
Alberto:
- Re: la propuesta CROPP para CROPP FY14 para Suriname, fue enviado a
Alberto y Humberto y hubo un intercambio de correos electrónicos en este
propuesta. También se discutió sobre las llamadas de conferencia con
respecto a la Propuestas Cropp para Haití y República Dominicana.
- Re: la propuesta CROPP para Haití, República Dominicana, el CROPP
propuesta era, de hecho, la primera presentada ante dos viajeros José Arce y
Javier Pallero para ir a Haití y República Dominicana. José y Javier
trabajado con Alberto para completar los detalles de la propuesta.
Después de Alberto aprobó la propuesta y la propuesta presentada a la
CROPP RT, Alberto cambió de opinión y quería poner a otra persona viajero
de Colombia (Philippe Boland) en lugar y cambiar el estructura de las
propuestas.La primera propuesta fue recordado y tuve de dos llamadas de
conferencia con Alberto y Humberto. Ver
https://community.icann.org/x/bDbRAg
https://community.icann.org/x/gjjRAg
La propuesta de Suriname también se discutió en la segunda llamada. Después
de más discusiones de correo electrónico que aclaran las propuestas, el
resultado final decidieron por Alberto y Humberto era para dos viajeros,
Alberto y Sylvia van a Haití y República Dominicana, que fue debidamente
presentado nuevamente a CROPP RT.
Así que para repetir, se consultó a la presidencia y la secretaría de
LACRALO y sus aprobaciones obtenidas antes de cualquier propuesta Cropp se
presentaron a la CROPP RT y luego a la ICANN GSE por sus aprobaciones.
- Yo no asistí ICANN53 debido a la Gran Al-CROPP, asistí ICANN53 debido a
la estrategia de ALC.
Saludos cordiales,
Dev Anand Teelucksingh
El Lun, 11 de enero 2016 a las 8:17 AM, <asoto en ibero-americano.org>
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> Subject: Re: Outreach and Engagement SC
> From: asoto en ibero-americano.org
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> Dear Alan, I am forced as President of LACRALO to get in
> Contact this topic.
> The insistence of the president of a Subcomitde ALAC (Scope and
commitment
> SC) to make decisions that by law must be taken within
> LACRALO and ALS participation of its members, forcing me to it.
> Repeated explanations do not justify that decision.
> It has been cited comments of Alexander Pisanty YMOS as if they had been
> Plan approval generated in that consultation subcomitsin
> previously the document that already contbamos. Both the opinion of
> Alejandro as ma, were criticisms of such a document. A posteriori despite
> the wrong procedure, as a sign of goodwill and seeking peace in
> our region, gave the plan as accepted, despite our tena
> more specific details on the passes, according to the list I promptly
> present, and long before this Strategic Plan.The main detail was
> that must be taken into account as a priority, those countries that have
> the lower index of penetration of Internet, as a way to begin
> which requeran greater support and coordinate further action with GSE
> ICANN.
> Pedaclaraciones the President of Subcomiten our last meeting
> monthly; allno only insistien his mistake, but the confirmque
> Subcomitse part of that people will take over the implementacin
> of the plan, and in addition they were analyzed alternative program
> CROPP for its implementation by that Subcommittee. As synthesis of
> this particular issue: first an ALS presents a project is approved
> LACRALO consensus on leadership and then sends it to LACRALO
> CROPP approval to GSE program and beyond. Estn is spewing one
> attribution does not correspond, despite being pidipor mail and the last
> monthly meeting that they did not.
> Insistien also said subcomitestaba formed by members
> LACRALO, understanding that it mistakenly convalidaba such actions.
> The LACRALO has signed MOU with ICANN, giving us independence in
> decisions, to be taken within the scope of our region and in
> our regulatory scope of discussion, and not within a Subcomitde
> ALAC, although estintegrado by members of LACRALO.
> In the links who are listed in the mail below, you can see that the
> AFRALO similar program was approved by the members of AFRALO 21
> September 2015; the APRALO by their leaders on July 3, 2015; he
> NARALO by Glenn McKnight 4l August 4, 2015; Dev the EURALO
> Anand Teelucksingh the 29 th September 2015; and also by LACRALO
> Dev Anand Teelucksingh 15 September 2015. At least for LACRALO is
> He has taken an attribution that does not belong.
> In the mail cited by the Chairman of the subcommittee, there are
inconsistencies
> such as mail exchange for the proposed Carlton Samuels
> to go to Suriname; this one was presented by Dev Anand in Teelucksingh
> we held a meeting on the issue of Haity Dominica Republic.Was
> with such urgency that we had no time to present it to LACRALO and
> we define exceptionally Humberto in that meeting to not miss a
> CROPP trip. In the previous meeting at the last ICANN meeting in Buenos
> Aires, cited we agree and published the names of those
> travel to that meeting. The President of CROPP, Dev Anand Teelucksingh
> I publicdichos names, but the list omitien his own, since
> viajcon a vacancy of the program.
> By safeguarding our decisions, our region, and waiting
> avoid future problems, you have to apply well to the directive
> for that Subcommittee.
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> Best regards
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> Alberto Soto
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> From: lac-discuss-es-bounces en atlarge-lists.icann.org
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> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Outreach and Engagement SC
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> and several people in LACRALO answered the call. The LACRALO Scope
> SC confirmed the commitment and ideas to the strategy, continuation,
> This strategy published for comment a list of LACRALO
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(Http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2015-September/0134
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> The Nicaraguan comments received were LACRALO list
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http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2015-September/01351
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http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2015-September/01351
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Http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2015-September/01355
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> and members of ALC in divulgaciny commitment trying estn SC
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> One of the activities of the SC O & E is a calendar of events
> Possible track events at the regional level - the
> Outreach events calendar LAC ARE
> http://bitly.com/LAC-Outreach-Calendar
> If you are aware of the possible events that could be possible in
> disclosure events, please suggest that Bartlett Morgan
> bartlett.morgan en gmail.com or what JosArce josefranciscoarce en gmail.com
> This calendar can be updated.
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> Anyone in LACRALO ALS any representative who cares
> by the objectives of Outreach and Engagement SC are more than welcome to
> join the Outreach and Engagement SC sending an e-mail
> staff en atlarge.icann.org calls O & E have interpretation
> espaola given the presence of several people called estn LACRALO.Las
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> Outreach and Engagement SC wiki: https://community.icann.org/x/cqfbAQ
> Outreach and Engagement SC meetings:
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> Outreach and Engagement SC Monthly reports:
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> It is unfortunate that people not following the estn LACRALO At-Large
> Working Group activities and therefore do not understand the Activities
> Working Group. Given that At-Large Working Groups
> are opportunities to join At-Large, I strongly suggest that
> At-Large activities of the Working Group is an agenda item of series
> LACRALO monthly calls in a similar manner to the Upgrading
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> Finally, I only to point out regarding Cropp applications,
> as representative CROPP Review Team and as a member of the then
> Scope SC, have worked with the Secretariat and chair THIN (Alberto Soto
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> Humberto Carrasco) and other representatives of LACRALO from the start
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> Juan Rojas (like representative LACRALO CROPP) on April 9, 2014 re:
> Ideas for the trip Alberto Soto and Sylvia to go Republic
> Dominican Republic and Haiti https://community.icann.org/x/bDbRAg
> - The numerous electronic mails between Alberto Soto, Humberto Sylvia
> travel to the Dominican Republic and Haita from the vague ideas
> in a practical proposal that may be made under the
> Cropp guidelines (using 4 slots 5 trips)
> - The email messages with Alberto and Humberto to confirm
> CROPP other Carlton Samuels proposal to go to Suriname (using the
> fifth trip space).
> - The numerous electronic mails between the proposal and Alberto Soto
> Alfonso Acosta Diego Bastidas to go to Cuba to make the idea of
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> - LACRALO notified of the possibility of using the proposals to Cropp
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> in which several people from LACRALO apply.
> - Have a call with Alberto Soto and Humberto Carrasco (
> https://community.icann.org/x/lok0Aw)
> LACRALO applications for Alberto Soto and Humberto Carrasco choose
> Cropp proposals (which was to be sent Sergio Salinas Porto, Jos
> Salgueiro and Carlton Samuels) to the RT CROPP for travelers to
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>> Subject: Outreach and Engagement SC
>> From: asoto en ibero-americano.org
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>> In the last monthly meeting the Chair of the Outreach and Engagement SC,
>> Anand Teelucksingh, explained the workings of such subcomity Plan
>> Strategic LACRALO.
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>> Before that, one of our ALAC Members consultporque me recibiuna
>> task of Dev: take care of a particular country to try
>> capture an organization for subsequent certification as ALS. Le
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>> It is the second time I make this comment. Tenamos generated and tested
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>> Similar plan, but added an order of countries, based on the index of
>> Internet penetration. That is, work with an inclusive character, start
>> Indexes with more low passes and I aslo did.
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>> With this Plan incorporla current ALS Haiti, the country with the lowest
>> index in our region. And also ISOC Dominican Republic.
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>> The Strategic Plan of LACRALO generated by the Outreach and Engagement
>> siguiel not normally trmite of any plan to be approved by
>> consensus. And this does not mean that it is correct, but the procedure
>> It is incorrect.
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>> In addition: The goal of the ALAC Subcomisin on extension and commitment
>> It is developing both a strategy for At-Large to reach new members
>> Potential community outreach, involve members ascomo
>> new and existing. Once this strategy is developed, it will
>> working with its members, the ALAC and RALO to ensure the strategy
>> successfully implemented.
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>> Estdesarrollada strategy, but it has not fulfilled the last paragraph:
>> work with our RALO.
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>> The same subcomitestrealizando the implementacin, which is not
>> applicable, it must do our region.
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>> At some point you asignarviajes by continuing with this program CROPP
>> implementacin. This procedure is incorrect, it is to be treated
>> within our region.ALS first, then approved by LACRALO, then
>> CROPP the Commission of the GSE program and then.
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>> The fact that several members of LACRALO subcomittenga; and either
>> You can enroll at any time, it does not provide authority for the
>> implementacin execution of the program, which must be made within
>> LACRALO.
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>> I ask Dev to make the appropriate changes, and start
>> working in coordination with the leadership of LACRALO.
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