Proyección y Participación SC
ariel.liang en icann.org
ariel.liang en icann.org
Mar Feb 23 02:13:58 UTC 2016
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Asunto: Re: Proyección y Participación SC
De: ariel.liang en icann.org
Gracias Alberto,
Karlene se ha eliminado de la lista de correo.
Mejor,
Ariel
De: Alberto Soto <asoto en ibero-americano.org>
Fecha: Lunes, 22 de febrero de, 2016 a 20:47
A: personal de ICANN At-Large <staff en atlarge.icann.org>
Cc: 'lista de LACRALO' <lac-discuss-en en atlarge-lists.icann.org> , 'Karlene
Francis ' <karlenef en gmail.com>
Asunto: RE: [lac-discuss-es] Proyección y Participación SC
Estimado, por favor, se puede eliminar una lista de correo para Karlene Francisco
[Mailto: karlenef en gmail.com]. La ELA es la Universidad de las Indias Occidentales.
¡Gracias!
Saludos cordiales
Alberto
De: Karlene Francis [mailto: karlenef en gmail.com]
Enviado EL: lunes, 22 de febrero de 2016 22:27
Para: Alberto Soto
CC: lista de LACRALO
Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] Proyección y Participación SC
Estimado Alberto,
Pertenezco a la UWI. Gracias por adelantado.
Sinceramente,
karlene Francisco
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> Date: Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 12:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Outreach and Engagement SC
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> Subject: Re: Outreach and Engagement SC
> from: asoto en ibero-americano.org
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> In order to complete the order Karlene, you would be so kind as to tell me to
> ALS belong?
> Thank you.
> Alberto Soto
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> From: karlenef en gmail.com
> Posted: Thu, February 18, 2016 8:37:55 -0300
> To: lac-discuss-es en atlarge-lists.icann.org
> Cc: lac-discuss-en en atlarge-lists.icann.org
> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Outreach and Engagement SC
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>> > Asunto: Re: Alcance y Compromiso SC
>> > De: karlenef en gmail.com
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>> > Estimado Alberto,
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>> >
>> > Es lamentable que todavÃa existen tan enorme nivel de desconfianza en
>> LACRALO. La situación es ahora insostenible. Por favor retire mi nombre de
>> todas las listas de correo. No deseo ser un miembro de este grupo.
>> >
>> >
>> > Saludos,
>> > karlene Francisco
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>>> >> On 17 Feb 2016, at 7:48 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg en mcgill.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Dear Alberto,
>>> >>
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>>> >> I will comment on the issues of the Outreach and Engagement and CROPP
>>> issues separately. Despite the two groups being chaired by the same person,
>>> they operate under different rules and processes.
>>> >>
>>> >> Subcommittee on Outreach and Engagement
>>> >>
>>> >> The Subcommittee (SC) is composed of two members named by each RALO plus
>>> any other people that chose to participate. Operationally, the SC does not
>>> distinguish between the two types of participants. The SC leadership is
>>> selected by the SC itself. See (
>>> https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/ALAC+Subcommittee+on+Outreach+an
>>> d+Engagement ) for further details.
>>> >>
>>> >> There are 14 members from LACRALO, more than from any other region.
>>> >>
>>> >> Any work product of the SC should be a product of the entire SC, or at
>>> least those who choose to be active and participate. That certainly should
>>> include the official members selected by the region. The SC may decide to
>>> ask RALOs for input, but even if it doesn’t, it is the responsibility of
>>> the regional members to ensure that the region is involved. In a
>>> multistakeholder environment, every participant cannot get exactly what they
>>> want, but every participant should have an opportunity to be heard. If a
>>> work product is about a particular region (as it is for the CROPP
>>> strategies), that region clearly has a very important role to play. In the
>>> case of LACRALO, we go to great efforts to ensure that the SC has Spanish
>>> interpretation to ensure that your members can participate equitably.
>>> >>
>>> >> To the best of my knowledge, there has been no major complaint from
>>> within the SC that people are not being listened to.
>>> >>
>>> >> The Independence of RALOs, like most things in life, is not absolute. In
>>> many cases, an ALAC SC or WG carries out work on behalf of ALAC and
>>> At-Large. They do this with the participation of people from all regions.
>>> Generally these decisions or documents do not impact what a RALO can do, but
>>> occasionally the ALAC gives a SC explicit responsibility to take action on
>>> behalf of ALAC and At-Large even if the results do not go back to the ALAC
>>> for ratification.
>>> >>
>>> >> In the specific case of the CROPP strategy document, I am not an expert,
>>> but I do not see a wide difference between the resultant document and what I
>>> have heard is of specific interest to LACRALO. The exact words may be
>>> different, but the intent seems the same. But regardless of how I read it,
>>> IF the region has a problem, it should be dealt with within the SC and by
>>> those appointed by LACRALO to work on the SC. If there is a situation where
>>> the SC members and the Chair and Co-Chairs cannot resolve an issue, I expect
>>> it to be presented to me or the ALAC Leadership Team, ensuring that the ALT
>>> Member from the region is aware of the issue.
>>> >>
>>> >> You mention that the internal LACRALO document had more concrete details.
>>> That is quite reasonable. As I understand the situation, the plans to be
>>> submitted to GSE did not require that level of detail and implementation. As
>>> long as the two were complementary and did not conflict, there is no
>>> problem.
>>> >>
>>> >> CROPP Program
>>> >>
>>> >> Last year, the CROPP program within At-Large was carried out by the CROPP
>>> Review Team (RT) from the previous year. The current RT is composed of two
>>> people from each region, one appointed by the Members of the Finance and
>>> Budget Subcommittee, and one by the Members of the Outreach and Engagement
>>> SC.
>>> >>
>>> >> A requests for use of CROPP funds goes from the originator to the RALO
>>> and then to the CROPP RT. Exactly how the RALO approves a project is up to
>>> the RALO. I suspect that most RALOs do this with their leadership team and
>>> perhaps a few others. Once the CROPP RT is notified by RALO leadership that
>>> a request is approved by the RALO, the CROPP RT must review it. They have
>>> the duty to ensure that the request meets the regional strategy and is in
>>> all ways a good request. If they are not satisfied, they can either reject
>>> the request or refer it back to the originator or RALO for modification. My
>>> understanding is that the LACRALO trip to Haiti and the Dominican Republic
>>> was satisfactory and I do not see the need to review the process it followed
>>> at this time.
>>> >>
>>> >> For the record, Dev Anand Teelucksingh did not travel to Buenos Aires on
>>> CROPP funds. His trip was funded by GSE under a completely different
>>> program.
>>> >>
>>> >> I hope that this addresses all of your issues.
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards, Alan
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>> >>> TRANSLATION BY SILVIA VIVANCO:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Dear Alan, I am obliged as President of LACRALO to get in touch about
>>>> this issue:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The insistence of the Chairman of a Subcommittee of the ALAC (Outreach
>>>> and Engagement SC ) in making decisions which should, by regulation be
>>>> made inside of LACRALO and with full participation of its members ALSs,
>>>> compels me to do so.
>>>> >>> Repeated clarifications do not justify such a decision.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Comments from Pisanty and myself have been cited as if they were an
>>>> approval of the Plan generated in the O/E Subcommittee, which acted without
>>>> previously consulting the document which we already had prepared. Both
>>>> mine, and the opinion of Alejandro Pisanty were critical of such document.
>>>> >>> Subsequently, and despite the bad procedure, we, in display of good
>>>> will and seeking peace in our Region, accepted this plan, despite the fact
>>>> that ours had more concrete details about the countries, according to the
>>>> list that I promptly submitted, and long before this Strategic Plan.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The main detail was that the plan should take into account as a
>>>> priority, those countries that had the lowest rate of Internet
>>>> penetration, as a way to start that required greater support and major
>>>> actions to coordinate with ICANN GSE.
>>>> >>> I asked for clarifications to the Chairman of the Subcommittee on our
>>>> last monthly meeting. At that meeting, he not only insisted on his mistake,
>>>> but he confirmed that the persons forming such Subcommittee would be in
>>>> charge of the implementation of such plan and they were also analyzing the
>>>> alternatives of the CROPP Program for its implementation by of such
>>>> Subcommittee.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> In summary: first an ALS presents a project, which shall be approved
>>>> by consensus within LACRALO and then leadership of LACRALO sends it for
>>>> approval through the CROPP program and then to GSE.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> They are assuming a power which does not correspond to them, even
>>>> though I requested by email and at the last monthly meeting that they did
>>>> not.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> He also insisted that the Sub-Committee was formed by members of
>>>> LACRALO, erroneously understanding this validated such actions.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The MOU that LACRALO has signed with ICANN, gives us the independence
>>>> in decisions, which should be taken within the scope of our Region and
>>>> within our normative discussions area, not within a Sub-Committee of ALAC,
>>>> despite the fact that this is composed of members of LACRALO.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> In the links listed in the email below, you can see that a similar
>>>> program for AFRALO was approved by the members of AFRALO on September 21,
>>>> 2015; of APRALO by their leaders on July 3, 2015; of NARALO by Glenn
>>>> McKnight 4l 4 August 2015; of EURALO by Dev Anand Teelucksingh the 29th
>>>> September 2015; and the LACRALO also by Dev Anand Teelucksingh on
>>>> September 15, 2015. At least for LACRALO, he has taken a role which does
>>>> not correspond to him.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> In the emails cited by the Chair of the Subcommittee, there are
>>>> inconsistencies such as the exchange of emails for the proposal by Carlton
>>>> Samuels to go to Surinam; this was only presented by Dev Anand Teelucksingh
>>>> in the meeting which we had on the Haiti and Dominican Republic. There was
>>>> such urgency that we did not have time to submit it to LACRALO and
>>>> exceptionally we decided with Humberto at that meeting so as to avoid
>>>> losing our CROPP trip allocation.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> In the meeting previous to the last meeting of ICANN in Buenos Aires,
>>>> it is said that we agreed and published the names of who would travel to
>>>> such meeting.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> CROPP?s Chair, Dev Anand Teelucksingh, published such names, but
>>>> omitted in the list his own name, because he travelled to Argentina with a
>>>> travel allocation of such program.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> To safeguard our decisions, our autonomy and hoping to avoid future
>>>> inconvenient, I request that you proceed to issue the appropriate
>>>> Directive to such Subcommittee.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> At 11/01/2016 07:16 AM, Alberto Soto wrote:
>>>> >>> Estimado Alan, me veo obligado como Presidente de LACRALO a ponerme en
>>>> >>> contacto por este tema.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> La insistencia del Presidente de un Subcomité de ALAC (Alcance y
>>>> compromiso
>>>> >>> SC) en tomar decisiones que por norma deben tomarse en el interior de
>>>> >>> LACRALO y con participación de sus ALSs miembros, me obliga a ello.
>>>> >>> Las repetidas aclaraciones no justifican esa decisión.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Se ha citado comentarios de Alejando Pisanty y mÃÂos como si hubieran
>>>> sido de
>>>> >>> aprobación del Plan generado en ese subcomité sin haber consultado
>>>> >>> previamente el documento con el que ya contábamos. Tanto la opinión
>>>> >>> Alejandro Como la MAA, Eran crÃticas de tal documento. A posteriori y
>>>> PESE una
>>>> >>> ESE mal Procedimiento, Como la Muestra de Buena Voluntad y buscando la paz
en
>>>> >>> Nuestra Región, dimos Como Aceptado DICHO plan, PESE una Que El Nuestro
>>>> tenÃa
>>>> >>> Detalles Más Concretos Sobre los paÃses, según La Lista Que Yo
>>>> oportunamente
>>>> >>> Presentara, los antes y Mucho of this Plan de Estrata © gico.El Detalle
>>>> Era director
>>>> >>> Que se debÃa Tener en Cuenta de Como priority, un paÃses Aquellos Que
>>>> tuvieran
>>>> >>> El Menor Andice de penetración de Internet, Como una forma de
>>>> Por Comenzar
>>>> >>> Los Que requerÃan alcalde Apoyo y mayores: acciones de una Coordinar con GSE
Delaware
>>>> >>> ICANN.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> PEDA aclaraciones al Presidente del Subcomità © en Nuestra última
>>>> reunión
>>>> >>> Mensual; allà no solo de error insistió en su, Que Sino Que confirmó
Las
>>>> >>> Personajes Integrante de DICHO Subcomità © se harÃan de carga de la
>>>> implementación
>>>> >>> De Plan DICHO, y además Estaban analizado las Alternativas del
>>>> Programa
>>>> >>> CROPP para su implementación por parte de DICHO Subcomità ©.Como
>>>> SÃntesis de
>>>> >>> Este tema en particular: Primero Una ALS Presenta Proyecto de las Naciones Unidas, se
>>>> Aprueba
>>>> >>> Por consensus en LACRALO Y LUEGO EL Liderazgo de LACRALO lo envÃa párrafo
Do
>>>> >>> Aprobación al Programa CROPP y de alla un GSE. Se están arrogando Una
>>>> >>> Atribución Que No corresponde, PESE un Que se pidió por mail y en la
>>>> última
>>>> >>> Reunión mensual Que No lo hicieran.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Tambià © n insistió En que DICHO subcomità © ESTABA Conformado por
Miembros de >>>>
>>>> >>> LACRALO, Entendiendo erróneamente Que Ello convalidaba cuentos: acciones.
>>>> >>> El MOU Que Tiene LACRALO Firmado con la ICANN, nos da la Independencia en
Las
>>>> >>> Decisiones, Las Que Deben tomarse Dentro del ámbito de Nuestra Región
>>>> Y EN
>>>> >>> Nuestro ámbito normativo de discusiones, y sin within ONU Subcomità ©
Delaware
>>>> >>> ALAC, PESE un © Que esta Integrado por Miembros de LACRALO.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> En los une Que están indicados en el correo electrónico de abajo, Que Se Puede ver
EL
>>>> >>> Programa similares de AFRALO FUE Aprobado por los Miembros de AFRALO el
>>>> 21 de
>>>> >>> Septiembre de 2015; El de APRALO lÃderes Por Sus el 3 de julio de
>>>> 2015; EL
>>>> >>> De NARALO por Glenn McKnight 4l 4 de agosto de 2015; El de EURALO por
dev
>>>> >>> Anand Teelucksingh el 29de septiembre de 2015; y el de LACRALO
>>>> Tambià © n por
>>>> >>> Dev Anand Teelucksingh el 15 de septiembre de 2015.Al menos por
>>>> LACRALO, se
>>>> >>> Ha Tomado Una atribución Que No le corresponde.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> En los citados electrónico por el Presidente del subcomità ©, heno
>>>> inconsistencias
>>>> >>> Cuentos Como el Intercambio de correos para la Propuesta de Carlton
>>>> Samuels
>>>> >>> To go una Suriname; ESTO FUE solitario Presentado por Dev Anand
>>>> Teelucksingh linea
>>>> >>> Una reunión Que mantuvimos por el tema de Haita y República
>>>> Dominica. Era
>>>> >>> Con tal urgencia Que No tuvimos Tiempo de presentarlo ante LACRALO y
>>>> >>> Excepcionalmente lo definimos con Humberto en ESA reunión párrafo sin
>>>> ONU perder
>>>> >>> Viaje de CROPP. En la reunión previa al último reunión de la ICANN en
Buenos >>>>
>>>> >>> Aires, se cita Que concordamos y were Publicados los Nombres de
Quienes >>>>
>>>> >>> ViajarÃan una reunión DICHO.El Presidente del CROPP, Dev Anand
>>>> Teelucksingh
>>>> >>> DICHOS publicó Nombres, Pero omitió en tu lista rápida el suyo propio, Dado
What
>>>> >>> Viajó con Una vacante de DICHO Programa.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Por el resguardo de Nuestras Decisiones, Nuestra Autonomía, y
>>>> esperando
>>>> >>> Evitar inconvenientes Futuros, solicito tengas a bien dar la directiva
>>>> >>> Correspondiente una ESE Subcomità ©.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Saludos cordiales
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Alberto Soto
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