[lac-discuss-es] El movimiento de las elecciones ... Ha fallado pasar.

Mie Sep 16 18:02:46 UTC 2015

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 Asunto: Re: El movimiento de las elecciones ... Ha fallado pasar. 
 De: carlton.samuels en gmail.com

 Jacqueline: 

 Por supuesto que tienes razón. Las reglas que se discutieron, editados y adoptados 
 en 2007 siguen siendo válidas. 

 Regla 12.2 dice así: A reserva de lo dispuesto en las reglas 6.2 y 16, las decisiones 
 se tomarán por mayoría de los en general Estructuras presentes y votantes; 
 a los efectos de las presentes Reglas, la expresión &quot;En Grandes Estructuras 
 presentes y votantes &quot;se entenderá En Grandes Estructuras emitan un afirmativa 
 o voto negativo. En Grandes Estructuras abstenerse de votar será 
 considerará que no ha votado. 

 Para cualquier decisión a tomar, esas votaciones (excluyendo abstenciones) deben ser 
 por encima de 50%. La corriente voto ALAC miembros no cumplen ese criterio. 

 Creo que estaba muy claro que cualquier declaración de un elegido 
 representante a ALAC de LACRALO de este evento fue mal y así, el 
 representante era ilegítimo. 

 -Carlton 

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 El mar, 15 de septiembre 2015 a las 10:24 de la tarde, Jacqueline Morris &lt; 
 jam en jacquelinemorris.com&gt; escribió: 

> Dear colleagues
> I've thought deeply on this, reread the working and final  documents from
> 2006 and 2007, and have  come to some very certain conclusions.
>
> The Secretariat is the position under which the ultimate responsibility
> for these calculations resides. The fact that we have not heard from
> Humberto on this issue is troubling. Staff are available to assist the
> Secretariat and Chair, but cannot bear the responsibility to the
> membership, as they are not the ones that we voted to hold such.
>
> I also believe that the consequences of the correct calculation of the
> vote should be spelled out so that there is no confusion.
>
> Given the very clear intent of the rule, it is obvious that as a
> consequence any motion (including motions for elections) CANNOT  be passed
> if the weighted vote by ALS representatives that abstain or do not vote is
> more than 50%.
>
> Hence, I believe the motion to elect an ALAC representative has failed.
> I look forward to the next steps, and I hope that these, unlike the
> previous, will adhere to both the letter and spirit of the Rules of the
> LACRALO as drafted and duly approved.
>
> Jacqueline A. Morris
> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and
> Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> )
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Jacqueline Morris <
> jam en jacquelinemorris.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Alberto
>> I would like to insert some factual historical information into this
>> discussion.
>>
>> The concern when developing the RoP was to ensure that a minority of the
>> organisation could not  agree to motions without a majority present and
>> voting. Hence, the rule for a virtual assembly is that every ALS is
>> considered to be present as each is issued voting credentials. And so a
>> motion cannot be carried on a minority voting on a motion if the majority
>> abstains or don't vote.
>>
>> I don't know when the change was made, but it is counter to the
>> established and documented process. I believe if such a fundamental change
>> were to be made to the established voting process, it should have been
>> discussed and voted upon by the membership. It may be that the Big Pulse
>> system was wrongly programmed to calculate, but it certainly should have
>> been double checked!
>>
>> Sincerely
>>
>>
>> Jacqueline A. Morris
>> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and
>> Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> )
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 6:21 PM, <asoto en ibero-americano.org> wrote:
>>
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>>>  Subject: The Numbers are Plain Wrong.
>>>  From: asoto en ibero-americano.org
>>>
>>>  Lord Samuels, a continuation transcribe Rule 12.2 of the Common Rules
>>>  LACRALO Procedure: In accordance with the provisions of the
>>>  Rules 6.2 and 16, decisions shall be by a majority of decidirn
>>>  Large Structures present and voting; for the purposes of these Rules,
>>>  the expression Large Structures present vote will refer the
>>>  Large Structures casting an affirmative or negative vote. At
>>>  Large Structures refrain from voting if they considerarcomo
>>>  they would not have voted.
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>>>  In English: 12.2 Subject to the Provisions of Rules 6.2 and 16,
>>> decisions
>>>  Shall be taken by a majority of the At Large Structures present and
>>> voting;
>>>  for the purpose of the present Rules, the expression &quot;At Large
>>> Structures
>>>  present and voting &quot;shall mean At Large Structures casting an
>>> affirmative or
>>>  negative vote.At Large Structures abstaining from voting Shall Be
>>> Regarded
>>>  Having Voted as not.
>>>
>>>
>>>  As see, you have to count the number of ALS present, it is,
>>>  they have cast their vote, whatever its option. We understand that
>>>  Large structures who voted for the abstention option, have issued
>>>  one vote, which even can be considered negative. Positive votes are
>>>  those who go sb candidate.
>>>
>>>
>>>  The rule saying abstaining, we understand that concern
>>>  Scope those structures that have not No single act. In
>>>  simple terms did not vote for any option.
>>>
>>>
>>>  The Big Push system is automatic, no intervention of any person.
>>>  The percentage taken are correct.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Years ago that the system works the same way, and has never been
>>>  observed or rejected.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Made the clarification, I ask again please not to issue
>>>  grievances and insults on the list.
>>>
>>>
>>>  If you observe or perform a critical, please, just doing hgalo
>>>  s reference to the fact in citing the article and reference standard.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Cheers
>>>
>>>
>>>  Alberto Soto
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