[lac-discuss-es] El movimiento de las elecciones ... Ha fallado pasar.
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Asunto: Re: El movimiento de las elecciones ... Ha fallado pasar.
De: carlton.samuels en gmail.com
Jacqueline:
Por supuesto que tienes razón. Las reglas que se discutieron, editados y adoptados
en 2007 siguen siendo válidas.
Regla 12.2 dice así: A reserva de lo dispuesto en las reglas 6.2 y 16, las decisiones
se tomarán por mayoría de los en general Estructuras presentes y votantes;
a los efectos de las presentes Reglas, la expresión "En Grandes Estructuras
presentes y votantes "se entenderá En Grandes Estructuras emitan un afirmativa
o voto negativo. En Grandes Estructuras abstenerse de votar será
considerará que no ha votado.
Para cualquier decisión a tomar, esas votaciones (excluyendo abstenciones) deben ser
por encima de 50%. La corriente voto ALAC miembros no cumplen ese criterio.
Creo que estaba muy claro que cualquier declaración de un elegido
representante a ALAC de LACRALO de este evento fue mal y así, el
representante era ilegítimo.
-Carlton
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El mar, 15 de septiembre 2015 a las 10:24 de la tarde, Jacqueline Morris <
jam en jacquelinemorris.com> escribió:
> Dear colleagues
> I've thought deeply on this, reread the working and final documents from
> 2006 and 2007, and have come to some very certain conclusions.
>
> The Secretariat is the position under which the ultimate responsibility
> for these calculations resides. The fact that we have not heard from
> Humberto on this issue is troubling. Staff are available to assist the
> Secretariat and Chair, but cannot bear the responsibility to the
> membership, as they are not the ones that we voted to hold such.
>
> I also believe that the consequences of the correct calculation of the
> vote should be spelled out so that there is no confusion.
>
> Given the very clear intent of the rule, it is obvious that as a
> consequence any motion (including motions for elections) CANNOT be passed
> if the weighted vote by ALS representatives that abstain or do not vote is
> more than 50%.
>
> Hence, I believe the motion to elect an ALAC representative has failed.
> I look forward to the next steps, and I hope that these, unlike the
> previous, will adhere to both the letter and spirit of the Rules of the
> LACRALO as drafted and duly approved.
>
> Jacqueline A. Morris
> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and
> Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> )
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Jacqueline Morris <
> jam en jacquelinemorris.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Alberto
>> I would like to insert some factual historical information into this
>> discussion.
>>
>> The concern when developing the RoP was to ensure that a minority of the
>> organisation could not agree to motions without a majority present and
>> voting. Hence, the rule for a virtual assembly is that every ALS is
>> considered to be present as each is issued voting credentials. And so a
>> motion cannot be carried on a minority voting on a motion if the majority
>> abstains or don't vote.
>>
>> I don't know when the change was made, but it is counter to the
>> established and documented process. I believe if such a fundamental change
>> were to be made to the established voting process, it should have been
>> discussed and voted upon by the membership. It may be that the Big Pulse
>> system was wrongly programmed to calculate, but it certainly should have
>> been double checked!
>>
>> Sincerely
>>
>>
>> Jacqueline A. Morris
>> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and
>> Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> )
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 6:21 PM, <asoto en ibero-americano.org> wrote:
>>
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>>>
>>> Subject: The Numbers are Plain Wrong.
>>> From: asoto en ibero-americano.org
>>>
>>> Lord Samuels, a continuation transcribe Rule 12.2 of the Common Rules
>>> LACRALO Procedure: In accordance with the provisions of the
>>> Rules 6.2 and 16, decisions shall be by a majority of decidirn
>>> Large Structures present and voting; for the purposes of these Rules,
>>> the expression Large Structures present vote will refer the
>>> Large Structures casting an affirmative or negative vote. At
>>> Large Structures refrain from voting if they considerarcomo
>>> they would not have voted.
>>>
>>>
>>> In English: 12.2 Subject to the Provisions of Rules 6.2 and 16,
>>> decisions
>>> Shall be taken by a majority of the At Large Structures present and
>>> voting;
>>> for the purpose of the present Rules, the expression "At Large
>>> Structures
>>> present and voting "shall mean At Large Structures casting an
>>> affirmative or
>>> negative vote.At Large Structures abstaining from voting Shall Be
>>> Regarded
>>> Having Voted as not.
>>>
>>>
>>> As see, you have to count the number of ALS present, it is,
>>> they have cast their vote, whatever its option. We understand that
>>> Large structures who voted for the abstention option, have issued
>>> one vote, which even can be considered negative. Positive votes are
>>> those who go sb candidate.
>>>
>>>
>>> The rule saying abstaining, we understand that concern
>>> Scope those structures that have not No single act. In
>>> simple terms did not vote for any option.
>>>
>>>
>>> The Big Push system is automatic, no intervention of any person.
>>> The percentage taken are correct.
>>>
>>>
>>> Years ago that the system works the same way, and has never been
>>> observed or rejected.
>>>
>>>
>>> Made the clarification, I ask again please not to issue
>>> grievances and insults on the list.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you observe or perform a critical, please, just doing hgalo
>>> s reference to the fact in citing the article and reference standard.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>>
>>> Alberto Soto
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