[lac-discuss-es] El movimiento de las elecciones ... Ha fallado pasar.

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Mie Sep 16 06:47:26 UTC 2015


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 Asunto: Re: El movimiento de las elecciones ... Ha fallado pasar. 
 De: hcarrascob en gmail.com

 Querida Jacqueline, 


 Me disculpo por no haber respondido antes. He estado tratando con otra 
 cuestiones LACRALO urgentes también. 


 Sin embargo, voy a responder sobre esta cuestión durante el día. 


 Saludos 






 El 16/09/2015 a las 04:24, Jacqueline Morris escribi: 
 > 
> Dear colleagues
> I've thought deeply on this, reread the working and final documents 
> from 2006 and 2007, and have  come to some very certain conclusions.
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> The Secretariat is the position under which the ultimate 
> responsibility for these calculations resides. The fact that we have 
> not heard from Humberto on this issue is troubling. Staff are 
> available to assist the Secretariat and Chair, but cannot bear the 
> responsibility to the membership, as they are not the ones that we 
> voted to hold such.
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> I also believe that the consequences of the correct calculation of the 
> vote should be spelled out so that there is no confusion.
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> Given the very clear intent of the rule, it is obvious that as a 
> consequence any motion (including motions for elections) CANNOT  be 
> passed if the weighted vote by ALS representatives that abstain or do 
> not vote is more than 50%.
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> Hence, I believe the motion to elect an ALAC representative has failed.
> I look forward to the next steps, and I hope that these, unlike the 
> previous, will adhere to both the letter and spirit of the Rules of 
> the LACRALO as drafted and duly approved.
>
> Jacqueline A. Morris
> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and 
> Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> )
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> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Jacqueline Morris 
> <jam en jacquelinemorris.com <mailto:jam en jacquelinemorris.com>> wrote:
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>     Hi Alberto
>     I would like to insert some factual historical information into
>     this discussion.
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>     The concern when developing the RoP was to ensure that a minority
>     of the organisation could not  agree to motions without a majority
>     present and voting. Hence, the rule for a virtual assembly is that
>     every ALS is considered to be present as each is issued voting
>     credentials. And so a motion cannot be carried on a minority
>     voting on a motion if the majority abstains or don't vote.
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>     I don't know when the change was made, but it is counter to the
>     established and documented process. I believe if such a
>     fundamental change were to be made to the established voting
>     process, it should have been discussed and voted upon by the
>     membership. It may be that the Big Pulse system was wrongly
>     programmed to calculate, but it certainly should have been double
>     checked!
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>     Sincerely
>
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>     Jacqueline A. Morris
>     Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible
>     and Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> )
>
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>     On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 6:21 PM, <asoto en ibero-americano.org
>     <mailto:asoto en ibero-americano.org>> wrote:
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>          Subject: The Numbers are Plain Wrong.
>          From: asoto en ibero-americano.org
>         <mailto:asoto en ibero-americano.org>
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>          Lord Samuels, a continuation transcribe Rule 12.2 of the
>         Common Rules
>          LACRALO Procedure: In accordance with the provisions of the
>          Rules 6.2 and 16, decisions shall be by a majority of decidirn
>          Large Structures present and voting; for the purposes of
>         these Rules,
>          the expression Large Structures present vote will refer the
>          Large Structures casting an affirmative or negative vote. At
>          Large Structures refrain from voting if they considerarcomo
>          they would not have voted.
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>          In English: 12.2 Subject to the Provisions of Rules 6.2 and
>         16, decisions
>          Shall be taken by a majority of the At Large Structures
>         present and voting;
>          for the purpose of the present Rules, the expression &quot;At
>         Large Structures
>          present and voting &quot;shall mean At Large Structures
>         casting an affirmative or
>          negative vote.At Large Structures abstaining from voting
>         Shall Be Regarded
>          Having Voted as not.
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>          As see, you have to count the number of ALS present, it is,
>          they have cast their vote, whatever its option. We understand
>         that
>          Large structures who voted for the abstention option, have issued
>          one vote, which even can be considered negative. Positive
>         votes are
>          those who go sb candidate.
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>          The rule saying abstaining, we understand that concern
>          Scope those structures that have not No single act. In
>          simple terms did not vote for any option.
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>          The Big Push system is automatic, no intervention of any person.
>          The percentage taken are correct.
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>          Years ago that the system works the same way, and has never been
>          observed or rejected.
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>          Made the clarification, I ask again please not to issue
>          grievances and insults on the list.
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>          If you observe or perform a critical, please, just doing hgalo
>          s reference to the fact in citing the article and reference
>         standard.
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>          Cheers
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>          Alberto Soto
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