[lac-discuss-es] At-Large: Parte del sector Privado? Parte de la Sociedad Civil?

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 Asunto: Re: At-Large: Parte del sector Privado? Parte de la Sociedad Civil? 
 De: asoto en ibero-americano.org

 Estimado Carlton, lamento tu equivocación, este es el cajón de manzanas, peras y tiene traido. 
 Disculpas al resto de la Lista. 
 Saludos cordiales 

 Alberto Soto 

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 Asunto: Re: At-Large: Parte del sector Privado? Parte de la Sociedad Civil? 
 De: carlton.samuels en gmail.com

 Alberto: 
 Aqui esta, presumiblemente, citando la ley Argentina: 

 '* En Argentina, la Ley de Protección al Consumidor, los dados en su Artículo 1. Este Tiene ley Objeto por Proteger a los Consumidores o Usuarios. Consumidor se considera a la persona Física o Jurídica Que Adquiere o utilizaciôn, de forma Gratuita o por: consideración, bienes o Servicios Como un fin en sí Mismos o párr su familia o grupo social. * 

 * Aquí y en Todo el Mundo, El Usuario defensores finales DOS Tiene. Uno párrafo CUANDO Tiene Problemas con Productos o Servicios; y párr defensor SUS Intereses Dentro de ICANN. '* 

 Hubiera Sido si Útil tan poco this de beca FUE ejercida Perteneciente a la Acusación en contra de la lanza Hinds baño Las Últimas Elecciones [en] Acción en LACRALO. 

 SUPONGO Que Usted ve el ALS Iberoamericana Como defensor de los Consumidores y Usuarios LOS DERECHOS de la ICANN, sí? 

 Así Ahora Que, es argentino El Derecho, los Consumidores y Usuarios hijo los co-definidos hijo y 
 reconocidos Como los dos &quot;Personas naturales y jurídicas&quot;. De Piense en la Cantidad de dolor Que 
 podria Haber salvado un Nosotros Mismos con Una Pequeña Demostración de Liderazgo? Usted 
 podria Haber salvado a todos Nosotros de escuchar La Opinión de la dullard del Mundo 
 Que Suelen enmascararse Opinión en Cuanto Informado en LACRALO. 

 E El Punto de Vista de la dullard originó en Argentina me hace doblemente Seguro De que 
 Lo Que Ocurrió en ESA Elección fallida FUE Una conspiración y con Apariencia de 
 ignorancia. 

 Ritz-Carlton Samuels 

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 El Lun, 31 de agosto 2015 a las 8:12 de la tarde, Alberto Soto <asoto en ibero-americano.org>
 escribio: 

> Dear Alan, I did a semantic analysis, using the dictionary of the Royal
> Spanish Academy.
>
> Public Sector: all public organizations and agencies, organizations and
> companies subject to them.
>
> Private Sector: That is not public or state property, but belongs to
> individuals.
>
> Society: natural grouping of people agreed that unit are different from
> each of the individuals, in order to meet, through mutual cooperation, all
> or any of the purposes of life.
>
> Civil society, private sector, citizens and society relationships and
> private activities.
>
> In the Latin world, we have two large sectors: the public sector
> (government) and the (non-governmental) Private Sector. In the latter
> enters the civil society and non-governmental sectors all we know.
>
> This is quite consistent with the definition of the World Bank. Although I
> agree that it should include the end user.
>
> In Argentina, the Law on Consumer Protection says in his article 1. This
> law aims to protect consumers or users. consumer is considered to the
> natural or legal person who acquires or uses, free of charge or for
> consideration, goods or services as an end in themselves or for their
> family or social group.
>
> Here and all over the world, the end user has two defenders. One for when
> you have problems with goods or services; and we to defend their interests
> within ICANN.
>
> But in my opinion, again, the end user must appear as such when the
> components of civil society are described.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Alberto
>
>
>
> *De:* alac-bounces en atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:
> alac-bounces en atlarge-lists.icann.org] *En nombre de *Alan Greenberg
> *Enviado el:* lunes, 31 de agosto de 2015 12:59 p. m.
> *Para:* ALAC <alac en atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> *Asunto:* [ALAC] At-Large: Part of the Private Sector? Part of Civil
> Society?
>
>
>
> These two questions seem to be coming up regularly. The current draft
> proposal of the CCWG-Accountability refers to ICANN being leg by the
> "Private Sector (as opposed to the Public Sector - Governments), and
> includes us in the Civil society part of the private sector.
>
> Looking at definitions can be useful. There are many of both terms.
>
> The most common definition of the Private Sector says it is everything
> that is not funded or controlled by government. Many definitions even
> explicitly list individuals as part of it. That certainly includes us.
>
> Some definitions talk about three groups, the public sector, the private
> sector (referring to for-profit organizations) and the "Voluntary Sector".
> The latter certainly includes the formal parts of At-Large, but really
> leaves individuals, who are no longer part of ANY of the sectors.
>
> From my perspective, that means that if we are part of the "Private
> Sector", we better be explicitly listed as such.
>
> I would appreciate hearing how these terms are defined in other languages
> and cultures.
>
>
> The Wikipedia defines Civil Society as "aggregate of non-governmental
> organizations and institutions that manifest interests and will of
> citizens." Civil society includes the family and the private sphere,
> referred to as the "third sector" of society, distinct from government and
> business.
>
> The World Bank has a more detailed definition: the term civil society to
> refer to the wide array of *non-governmental and not-for-profit
> organizations that have a presence in public life, expressing the interests
> and values of their members or others, based on ethical, cultural,
> political, scientific, religious or philanthropic considerations. Civil
> Society Organizations (CSOs) therefore refer to a wide of array of
> organizations: community groups, non-governmental organizations (NGOs),
> labor unions, indigenous groups, charitable organizations, faith-based
> organizations, professional associations, and foundationsÃ¢â‚¬Â.*
>
> In both definitions, Civil Society is listed as essentially being defines
> as groups of one form or another. By those definitions, At-large and our
> components parts are certainly civil society, but the individuals whose
> interests we defend are not part of civil society per se.
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
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