[lac-discuss-es] At-Large: Parte del sector privado? Parte de la Sociedad Civil?

Mie Sep 2 19:19:23 UTC 2015

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 Asunto: Re: At-Large: Parte del sector privado? Parte de la Sociedad Civil? 
 De: carlton.samuels en gmail.com

 Alberto: 
 Aquí está, presumiblemente, citando la ley argentina: 

 '* En Argentina, la Ley de Protección al Consumidor, dice en su artículo 1. Este 
 ley tiene por objeto proteger a los consumidores o usuarios. consumidor se considera a la 
 persona física o jurídica que adquiere o utiliza, de forma gratuita o por 
 consideración, bienes o servicios como un fin en sí mismos o para su 
 familia o grupo social. * 

 * Aquí y en todo el mundo, el usuario final tiene dos defensores. Uno para cuando 
 tiene problemas con productos o servicios; y para defender sus intereses 
 dentro de ICANN. '* 

 Hubiera sido tan útil si este bit de beca fue ejercida 
 perteneciente a la acusación en contra de Lance Hinds en las últimas elecciones [en] 
 acción en LACRALO. 

 Supongo que usted ve el ALS Iberoamericana como defensor de los consumidores y usuarios 
 los derechos de la ICANN, sí?

 Así que ahora, en el derecho argentino, los consumidores y los usuarios son co-definidos y son 
 reconocidos como los dos &quot;personas naturales y jurídicas&quot;. Piense en la cantidad de dolor que 
 podría haber salvado a nosotros mismos con una pequeña demostración de liderazgo? Usted 
 podría haber salvado a todos nosotros de escuchar la opinión de la dullard del mundo 
 que suelen enmascararse opinión en cuanto informado en LACRALO. 

 Ese punto de vista de la dullard originó en Argentina me hace doblemente seguro de que 
 lo que ocurrió en esa elección fallida fue una conspiración y con apariencia de 
 ignorancia. 

 Ritz-Carlton Samuels 

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 El Lun, 31 de agosto 2015 a las 8:12 de la tarde, Alberto Soto <asoto en ibero-americano.org>
 escribió: 

> Dear Alan, I did a semantic analysis, using the dictionary of the Royal
> Spanish Academy.
>
> Public Sector: all public organizations and agencies, organizations and
> companies subject to them.
>
> Private Sector: That is not public or state property, but belongs to
> individuals.
>
> Society: natural grouping of people agreed that unit are different from
> each of the individuals, in order to meet, through mutual cooperation, all
> or any of the purposes of life.
>
> Civil society, private sector, citizens and society relationships and
> private activities.
>
> In the Latin world, we have two large sectors: the public sector
> (government) and the (non-governmental) Private Sector. In the latter
> enters the civil society and non-governmental sectors all we know.
>
> This is quite consistent with the definition of the World Bank. Although I
> agree that it should include the end user.
>
> In Argentina, the Law on Consumer Protection says in his article 1. This
> law aims to protect consumers or users. consumer is considered to the
> natural or legal person who acquires or uses, free of charge or for
> consideration, goods or services as an end in themselves or for their
> family or social group.
>
> Here and all over the world, the end user has two defenders. One for when
> you have problems with goods or services; and we to defend their interests
> within ICANN.
>
> But in my opinion, again, the end user must appear as such when the
> components of civil society are described.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Alberto
>
>
>
> *De:* alac-bounces en atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:
> alac-bounces en atlarge-lists.icann.org] *En nombre de *Alan Greenberg
> *Enviado el:* lunes, 31 de agosto de 2015 12:59 p. m.
> *Para:* ALAC <alac en atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> *Asunto:* [ALAC] At-Large: Part of the Private Sector? Part of Civil
> Society?
>
>
>
> These two questions seem to be coming up regularly. The current draft
> proposal of the CCWG-Accountability refers to ICANN being leg by the
> "Private Sector (as opposed to the Public Sector - Governments), and
> includes us in the Civil society part of the private sector.
>
> Looking at definitions can be useful. There are many of both terms.
>
> The most common definition of the Private Sector says it is everything
> that is not funded or controlled by government. Many definitions even
> explicitly list individuals as part of it. That certainly includes us.
>
> Some definitions talk about three groups, the public sector, the private
> sector (referring to for-profit organizations) and the "Voluntary Sector".
> The latter certainly includes the formal parts of At-Large, but really
> leaves individuals, who are no longer part of ANY of the sectors.
>
> From my perspective, that means that if we are part of the "Private
> Sector", we better be explicitly listed as such.
>
> I would appreciate hearing how these terms are defined in other languages
> and cultures.
>
>
> The Wikipedia defines Civil Society as "aggregate of non-governmental
> organizations and institutions that manifest interests and will of
> citizens." Civil society includes the family and the private sphere,
> referred to as the "third sector" of society, distinct from government and
> business.
>
> The World Bank has a more detailed definition: the term civil society to
> refer to the wide array of *non-governmental and not-for-profit
> organizations that have a presence in public life, expressing the interests
> and values of their members or others, based on ethical, cultural,
> political, scientific, religious or philanthropic considerations. Civil
> Society Organizations (CSOs) therefore refer to a wide of array of
> organizations: community groups, non-governmental organizations (NGOs),
> labor unions, indigenous groups, charitable organizations, faith-based
> organizations, professional associations, and foundationsâ€.*
>
> In both definitions, Civil Society is listed as essentially being defines
> as groups of one form or another. By those definitions, At-large and our
> components parts are certainly civil society, but the individuals whose
> interests we defend are not part of civil society per se.
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
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