[lac-discuss-es] legalidad del proceso.

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Dom Jul 26 12:48:16 UTC 2015 

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 Asunto: Re: legalidad del proceso. 
 De: jam at jacquelinemorris.com

 Envié esto para tratar de ser útil en lo que respecta a la preocupación de Vanda acerca de la 
 legalidad del proceso. Ciertamente no tengo ninguna intención de pasar por 
 cientos de mensajes de correo electrónico en Inglés y Español para auditar el proceso. YO 
 creen que es el trabajo de los funcionarios electos de LACRALO, y cualquier persona 
 que se pone en ayudar en ese proceso (Yo ya había leído acerca de la 
 Defensor del Pueblo está posiblemente llamado * nuevo *) No tengo más que suficiente trabajo para 
 hacer en los muchos grupos de trabajo de ICANN a la que me aportan. 
 espero que esto ayude 
 Jacqueline 




 Jacqueline A. Morris 
 La tecnología debe ser como el oxígeno: Ubicuo, necesario, invisible y 
 Gratis. (Después de que Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) 


 El Sábado, 25 de julio 2015 a las 8:04 AM, &quot;Carlos Raúl G.&quot; <crg at isoc-cr.org> escribió: 


> Thank you Jacqueline!
>
> I was not present in the first round of voting. Could you point out if and
> which of the rules and/or step were not properly followed?
>
> Than you very much and have a nice weekend
>
> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
> +506 8837 7176 (New Number)
> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>
> El jul 25, 2015, a las 4:46, Jacqueline Morris <jam at jacquelinemorris.com>
> escribió:
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> They are clear and transparent. Whether they are followed or not...  see
> the analysis here and check the link for the RoP sections that are
> referenced.
> http://atlarge.icann.org/en/node/1793
>
> Sincerely
> Jacqueline
>
> Jacqueline A. Morris
> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and
> Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> )
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 1:21 PM, <crg at isoc-cr.org> wrote:
>
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>>  Subject: Re: legality of the process.
>>  From: crg at isoc-cr.org
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>>  Dear Vanda,
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>>  Before a new process, RULES NEED CLEAR AND TRANSPARENT
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>>  A hug
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>>  Ral Carlos Gutierrez
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>>  Skype: carlos.raulg
>>  +506 8837 7173 (cell)
>>  +506 4000 2000 (home)
>>  +506 2290 3678 (fax)
>>  _____________________
>>  Section 1571-1000
>>  San Jose, COSTA RICA
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>> > On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:06 AM, vanda at etges.com.br wrote:
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>> > Asunto: Re: legalidad del proceso.
>> > Desde: vanda at etges.com.br
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>> > Queridos amigos.
>> > Estoy mucho más preocupado ahora de si tenemos o no hay base legal para
>> proceder con esta elección, ya después del proceso inicial - empezamos
>> siguiendo el proceso original - que ya está cerrado?
>> > Creo que tenemos que hacer algunos pasos para convertirse en el
>> desierto el proceso anterior y comenzar uno nuevo claro.
>> > O le gustaría que alguien del personal para darnos una declaración
>> clara al respecto.
>> > gracias
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>> > Vanda
>> > Polo Consultores Associados
>> > TI-Trend Consulting
>> > Av. Paulista, 1159 cj 1004
>> > 01311-200 - São Paulo - SP - Brasil
>> > Fone: +55.11.3266.6253
>> > Celular: +55.11.9.8137.1464
>> > Skype: vanda.scartezini
>> > e-mail: vanda at scartezini.org
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>> >
>> >> On Jul 23, 2015, at 19:23, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> To follow on the hypocrisy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy <
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy>) of the comments re: conflict
>> of interest.
>> >>
>> >> Here's what is on Sergio Salinas Porto profile :
>> https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto <
>> https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto>
>> >>
>> >> "Mr. Salinas Porto is involved in a number of other international and
>> regional organizations and projects; he is a Member of the Forum for
>> Democratic and Popular Communication, Mar de Plata's Secretary of
>> Communication for Central de Trabajadores Argentinos, and the Head of New
>> Technologies and Business for the Assembly of Small and Medium
>> Entrepreneurs' Mar de Plata division."
>> >>
>> >> So how it is that Sergio doesn't have a conflict of interest being in
>> LACRALO as a "business user" since he is involved with the Assembly of
>> Small and Medium Entrepreneurs?
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Dev Anand Teelucksingh
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Carlton Samuels <
>> carlton.samuels at gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >> My friend Alejando, I'm going to irritate you some more with rhetoric.
>> And do please accept I am using the classic [English] meaning of the word.
>> >>
>> >> What is alleged is purely unfortunate bullshit.
>> >>
>> >> Lance Hinds is articulated to ICANN via an MOU with ICANN and caucus
>> with the At-Large and LACRALO as a representative of DevNet; he's the
>> Chairman and its representative to LACRALO.
>> >>
>> >> Devnet is a non-governmental organisation that provides ICT
>> development services to those who are on the poor side of the digital
>> divide.  DevNet thusly represents end user interests.  Think of Devnet as
>> Guyana's version Internauta Usarios etc. etc.
>> >>
>> >> The man is President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce by virtue
>> of his ownership of a small business; Brainstreet Technologies.  He derives
>> his income, his living wage, principally from that business.  He DOES NOT
>> get paid as President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce.
>> >>
>> >> Here's the issue. It is not unusual for those of us in the Caribbean
>> to have many lives; its called responding to capacity deficit.  To say that
>> Lance cannot be a businessman and also represent end user interests when
>> he's Chairman of an NGO - the one thru which he's connected to the ICANN
>> system - just looks delusional for some of us.
>> >>
>> >> At least for those of us in the Caribbean who are volunteers for one
>> thing or other.
>> >>
>> >> -Carlton
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ==============================
>> >> Carlton A Samuels
>> >> Mobile: 876-818-1799 <tel:876-818-1799>
>> >> Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround
>> >> =============================
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <
>> apisan at unam.mx <mailto:apisan at unam.mx>> wrote:
>> >> Carlton,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable
>> conflict of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the
>> election was in course.
>> >>
>> >> Simple. No rhetoric needed.
>> >>
>> >> Alejandro Pisanty
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>> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> >>     Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
>> >> Facultad de Química UNAM
>> >> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
>> >>
>> >> +52-1-5541444475 <tel:%2B52-1-5541444475> FROM ABROAD
>> >>
>> >> +525541444475 <tel:%2B525541444475> DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475
>> <tel:%2B525541444475>
>> >> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com <http://pisanty.blogspot.com/>
>> >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty <
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty>
>> >> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,
>> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 <
>> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614>
>> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty <http://twitter.com/apisanty>
>> >> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org <http://www.isoc.org/>
>> >> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
>> >>
>> >> Desde: lac-discuss-en-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:
>> lac-discuss-en-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> [
>> lac-discuss-en-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:
>> lac-discuss-en-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org>] en nombre de Carlton
>> Samuels [carlton.samuels at gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels at gmail.com>]
>> >> Enviado el: jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03
>> >> Hasta: lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:
>> lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>> >>
>> >> CC: Albert Daniels
>> >> Asunto: [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against
>> At-Large Staff
>> >>
>> >> I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is
>> debilitating.
>> >>
>> >> I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so
>> cannot depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what
>> I must by avoiding vexations to my spirit.
>> >>
>> >> But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is
>> just too much and I must break my silence.
>> >>
>> >> In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit:
>> >>
>> >> Definitions of bullshit
>> >> noun
>> >> stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense.
>> >> verb
>> >> talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ​It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large
>> staff in this instance and I will tell you why.
>> >>
>> >> Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will
>> repeat it here for effect.
>> >>
>> >> In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and
>> where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all
>> other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected.
>> ​
>> >>
>> >> But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process
>> is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best.
>> >>
>> >> We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the
>> nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election
>> process into question.
>> >>
>> >> So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to
>> come along, slowly.  That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it
>> is a poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in
>> the first place!
>> >>
>> >> As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for
>> other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action.
>> >>
>> >> Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome
>> after trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk
>> of reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here.
>> >>
>> >> Now, to the hypocrites.  I ask your forgiveness for not being a good
>> Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy.
>> >>
>> >> In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed
>> colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated
>> unopposed.  I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for
>> the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single
>> 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and
>> expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very
>> important ICANN councils.
>> >>
>> >> I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to
>> muddy the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris
>> being de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do
>> then.
>> >>
>> >> With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place.
>> And the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for
>> Lance Hinds.
>> >>
>> >> It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is
>> because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place.
>> >>
>> >> Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our
>> now erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of
>> 'impropriety' raised!
>> >>
>> >> So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume
>> the guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even
>> asleep at the switch.
>> >>
>> >> Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other
>> operating conditions are applied.
>> >>
>> >> Go figure.
>> >>
>> >> -Carlton Samuels
>> >>
>> >> ==============================
>> >> Carlton A Samuels
>> >> Mobile: 876-818-1799 <tel:876-818-1799>
>> >> Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround
>> >> =============================
>> >>
>> >>
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