[lac-discuss-es] ¿Es éste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff

Eduado Méndez eduardo en mendez.net.ve
Jue Jul 23 23:59:36 UTC 2015


Saludos compañeros,

El punto de discusión y lo que encontramos desfavorable desde Internauta Venezuela en la presentación del compañero Guyanés es la ausencia en el discurso y la acción de alguna causa en función de los usuarios de Internet. No hay duda que resulta interesante su experiencia como emprendedor en el área pero a la vez entendemos que este espacio (LACRALO) debe privilegiar la perspectiva del usuario.

Un abrazo y espero que las discusiones entre los miembros de la lista puedan seguir llevándose a cabo con cordialidad y respeto, tal como lo ha sabido hacer el compañero Alejandro Pisanty a quien agradezco por su coherencia.



> El 23/07/2015, a las 5:25 p.m., devtee en gmail.com escribió:
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> Asunto: Re: ¿Es éste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff 
> De: devtee en gmail.com
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> Para seguir en la hipocresía (  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy) 
> comentarios re: conflicto de intereses. 
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> Esto es lo que está en el perfil de Sergio Salinas Porto: 
> https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto 
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> "El señor Salinas Porto está involucrado en una serie de otras organizaciones internacionales y 
> organizaciones y proyectos regionales; él es un miembro del Foro para 
> Democrática y Popular de Comunicación, Secretaría de Mar de Plata 
> Comunicación para la Central de Trabajadores Argentinos, y el Jefe de Nuevo 
> Tecnologías y Negocios de la Asamblea de Pequeños y Medianos 
> Mar división de Empresarios de Plata ". 
> 
> 
> Entonces, ¿cómo es que Sergio no tiene un conflicto de interés por ser 
> LACRALO como un "usuario de negocio", ya que está involucrado con la Asamblea de 
> Pequeños y medianos empresarios? 
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> Saludos, 
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> Dev Anand Teelucksingh 
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> El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 5:44 de la tarde, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels en gmail.com>
> escribió: 
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>> My friend Alejando, I'm going to irritate you some more with rhetoric. And
>> do please accept I am using the classic [English] meaning of the word.
>> 
>> What is alleged is purely unfortunate bullshit.
>> 
>> Lance Hinds is articulated to ICANN via an MOU with ICANN and caucus with
>> the At-Large and LACRALO as a representative of DevNet; he's the Chairman
>> and its representative to LACRALO.
>> 
>> Devnet is a non-governmental organisation that provides ICT development
>> services to those who are on the poor side of the digital divide.  DevNet
>> thusly represents end user interests.  Think of Devnet as Guyana's version
>> Internauta Usarios etc. etc.
>> 
>> The man is President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce by virtue of
>> his ownership of a small business; Brainstreet Technologies.  He derives
>> his income, his living wage, principally from that business.  He DOES NOT
>> get paid as President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce.
>> 
>> Here's the issue. It is not unusual for those of us in the Caribbean to
>> have many lives; its called responding to capacity deficit.  To say that
>> Lance cannot be a businessman and also represent end user interests when
>> he's Chairman of an NGO - the one thru which he's connected to the ICANN
>> system - just looks delusional for some of us.
>> 
>> At least for those of us in the Caribbean who are volunteers for one thing
>> or other.
>> 
>> -Carlton
>> 
>> 
>> ==============================
>> Carlton A Samuels
>> Mobile: 876-818-1799
>> *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround*
>> =============================
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <
>> apisan en unam.mx> wrote:
>> 
>>> Carlton,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable
>>> conflict of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the
>>> election was in course.
>>> 
>>> Simple. No rhetoric needed.
>>> 
>>> Alejandro Pisanty
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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>>> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
>>> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
>>>  ------------------------------
>>> *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces en atlarge-lists.icann.org [
>>> lac-discuss-en-bounces en atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Carlton
>>> Samuels [carlton.samuels en gmail.com]
>>> *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03
>>> *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en en atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>> 
>>> *CC:* Albert Daniels
>>> *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against
>>> At-Large Staff
>>> 
>>>   I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO
>>> is debilitating.
>>> 
>>> I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so
>>> cannot depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what
>>> I must by avoiding vexations to my spirit.
>>> 
>>> But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just
>>> too much and I must break my silence.
>>> 
>>> In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit:
>>> 
>>>  Definitions of bullshit
>>>  noun
>>> stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense.
>>> verb
>>> talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>    ​It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large
>>> staff in this instance and I will tell you why.
>>> 
>>> Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will
>>> repeat it here for effect.
>>> 
>>> In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and
>>> where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all
>>> other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. ​
>>> 
>>> But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process
>>> is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best.
>>> 
>>> We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the
>>> nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election
>>> process into question.
>>> 
>>> So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come
>>> along, slowly.  That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a
>>> poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the
>>> first place!
>>> 
>>> As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for
>>> other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action.
>>> 
>>> Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome
>>> after trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk
>>> of reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here.
>>> 
>>> Now, to the hypocrites.  I ask your forgiveness for not being a good
>>> Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy.
>>> 
>>> In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed
>>> colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated
>>> unopposed.  I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for
>>> the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single
>>> 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and
>>> expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very
>>> important ICANN councils.
>>> 
>>> I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to
>>> muddy the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris
>>> being de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do
>>> then.
>>> 
>>> With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place.  And
>>> the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for Lance
>>> Hinds.
>>> 
>>> It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is
>>> because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place.
>>> 
>>> Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now
>>> erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 'impropriety'
>>> raised!
>>> 
>>> So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume
>>> the guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even
>>> asleep at the switch.
>>> 
>>> Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other
>>> operating conditions are applied.
>>> 
>>> Go figure.
>>> 
>>> -Carlton Samuels
>>> 
>>> ==============================
>>> Carlton A Samuels
>>> Mobile: 876-818-1799
>>> *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround*
>>> =============================
>>> 
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