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 Asunto: Re: ??????? = UTF-8 q = C2 = C3 = = BFEs_ 27irregul A9ste_Tiresome_ = = = UTF-8 q = 27_Contra_Large_At-Personal aridad = 
 De: salgueiro.jo en gmail.com

 Muy bien dicho Sergio. 


 Y el pecado Sigue Interesado aparecer. Defensores del SUS Llegan solitario 


 07.23.2015 17:59 GMT-04: 30 <bronstein.sergio en gmail.com> : 
 > 
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>  Subject: Re:??????? = Utf-8 q = C2 = C3 = = BFEs_ 27irregul
> A9ste_Tiresome_ = = = utf-8 q = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff arity =
>  From: bronstein.sergio en gmail.com
>
>  Sometimes you have to read nonsense ...
>  Please let us raise the level of debate.
>  thanks in advance,
>  Sergio Bronstein
>  The 23/07/2015 17.55, <devtee en gmail.com> wrote:
>  >
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> >
> >  Asunto: Re: ¿Es éste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff
> >  De: devtee en gmail.com
> >
> >  Para seguir en la hipocresía (  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy
> )
> >  comentarios re: conflicto de intereses.
> >
> >
> >  Esto es lo que está en el perfil de Sergio Salinas Porto:
> >  https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto
> >
> >
> >  &quot;El señor Salinas Porto está involucrado en una serie de otras
> > organizaciones internacionales y
> >  organizaciones y proyectos regionales; él es un miembro del Foro para
> >  Democrática y Popular de Comunicación, Secretaría de Mar de Plata
> >  Comunicación para la Central de Trabajadores Argentinos, y el Jefe de
> > Nuevo
> >  Tecnologías y Negocios de la Asamblea de Pequeños y Medianos
> >  Mar división de Empresarios de Plata &quot;.
> >
> >
> >  Entonces, ¿cómo es que Sergio no tiene un conflicto de interés por ser
> >  LACRALO como un &quot;usuario de negocio&quot;, ya que está involucrado
> > con la Asamblea de
> >  Pequeños y medianos empresarios?
> >
> >
> >  Saludos,
> >
> >
> >  Dev Anand Teelucksingh
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 5:44 de la tarde, Carlton Samuels <
> > carlton.samuels en gmail.com>
> >  escribió:
> >
> >
> > > My friend Alejando, I'm going to irritate you some more with rhetoric.
> > And
> > > do please accept I am using the classic [English] meaning of the word.
> > >
> > > What is alleged is purely unfortunate bullshit.
> > >
> > > Lance Hinds is articulated to ICANN via an MOU with ICANN and caucus
> with
> > > the At-Large and LACRALO as a representative of DevNet; he's the
> Chairman
> > > and its representative to LACRALO.
> > >
> > > Devnet is a non-governmental organisation that provides ICT development
> > > services to those who are on the poor side of the digital divide.
> DevNet
> > > thusly represents end user interests.  Think of Devnet as Guyana's
> > version
> > > Internauta Usarios etc. etc.
> > >
> > > The man is President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce by virtue of
> > > his ownership of a small business; Brainstreet Technologies.  He
> derives
> > > his income, his living wage, principally from that business.  He DOES
> NOT
> > > get paid as President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce.
> > >
> > > Here's the issue. It is not unusual for those of us in the Caribbean to
> > > have many lives; its called responding to capacity deficit.  To say
> that
> > > Lance cannot be a businessman and also represent end user interests
> when
> > > he's Chairman of an NGO - the one thru which he's connected to the
> ICANN
> > > system - just looks delusional for some of us.
> > >
> > > At least for those of us in the Caribbean who are volunteers for one
> > thing
> > > or other.
> > >
> > > -Carlton
> > >
> > >
> > > ==============================
> > > Carlton A Samuels
> > > Mobile: 876-818-1799
> > > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround*
> > > =============================
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <
> > > apisan en unam.mx> wrote:
> > >
> > >>  Carlton,
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable
> > >> conflict of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once
> > the
> > >> election was in course.
> > >>
> > >>  Simple. No rhetoric needed.
> > >>
> > >>  Alejandro Pisanty
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > >>      Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
> > >> Facultad de Química UNAM
> > >> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD
> > >>
> > >> +525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475
> > >> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
> > >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
> > >> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,
> > >> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
> > >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty
> > >> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
> > >> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
> > >>   ------------------------------
> > >> *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces en atlarge-lists.icann.org [
> > >> lac-discuss-en-bounces en atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Carlton
> > >> Samuels [carlton.samuels en gmail.com]
> > >> *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03
> > >> *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en en atlarge-lists.icann.org
> > >>
> > >> *CC:* Albert Daniels
> > >> *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against
> > >> At-Large Staff
> > >>
> > >>    I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO
> > >> is debilitating.
> > >>
> > >>  I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so
> > >> cannot depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do
> > what
> > >> I must by avoiding vexations to my spirit.
> > >>
> > >>  But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is
> just
> > >> too much and I must break my silence.
> > >>
> > >>  In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by
> bullshit:
> > >>
> > >>   Definitions of bullshit
> > >>   noun
> > >>  stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense.
> > >>  verb
> > >>  talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>     ​It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by
> > At-Large
> > >> staff in this instance and I will tell you why.
> > >>
> > >>  Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will
> > >> repeat it here for effect.
> > >>
> > >>  In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established
> and
> > >> where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying
> all
> > >> other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly
> > [s]elected. ​
> > >>
> > >>  But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process
> > >> is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best.
> > >>
> > >>  We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the
> > >> nomination portion of the process without calling the entire
> [s]election
> > >> process into question.
> > >>
> > >>  So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to
> come
> > >> along, slowly.  That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it
> is
> > a
> > >> poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in
> the
> > >> first place!
> > >>
> > >>  As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same
> for
> > >> other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action.
> > >>
> > >>  Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome
> > >> after trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real
> > risk
> > >> of reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here.
> > >>
> > >>  Now, to the hypocrites.  I ask your forgiveness for not being a good
> > >> Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy.
> > >>
> > >>  In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed
> > >> colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was
> nominated
> > >> unopposed.  I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only
> > for
> > >> the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a
> > single
> > >> 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and
> > >> expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very
> > >> important ICANN councils.
> > >>
> > >>  I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to
> > >> muddy the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline
> Morris
> > >> being de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing
> > to do
> > >> then.
> > >>
> > >>  With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place.
> And
> > >> the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for
> > Lance
> > >> Hinds.
> > >>
> > >>  It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is
> > >> because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first
> > place.
> > >>
> > >>  Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our
> now
> > >> erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of
> > 'impropriety'
> > >> raised!
> > >>
> > >>  So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume
> > >> the guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even
> > >> asleep at the switch.
> > >>
> > >>  Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other
> > >> operating conditions are applied.
> > >>
> > >>  Go figure.
> > >>
> > >>  -Carlton Samuels
> > >>
> > >>  ==============================
> > >>  Carlton A Samuels
> > >> Mobile: 876-818-1799
> > >> *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround*
> > >> =============================
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >
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