[lac-discuss-es] ¿Es éste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff
Sergio Bronstein
bronstein.sergio en gmail.com
Jue Jul 23 22:28:47 UTC 2015
A veces hay que leer sandeces...
Por favor, elevemos el nivel del debate.
Gracias anticipadas,
Sergio Bronstein
El 23/07/2015 17:55, <devtee en gmail.com> escribió:
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> Asunto: Re: ¿Es éste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff
> De: devtee en gmail.com
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> Para seguir en la hipocresía ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy)
> comentarios re: conflicto de intereses.
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> Esto es lo que está en el perfil de Sergio Salinas Porto:
> https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto
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> "El señor Salinas Porto está involucrado en una serie de otras
> organizaciones internacionales y
> organizaciones y proyectos regionales; él es un miembro del Foro para
> Democrática y Popular de Comunicación, Secretaría de Mar de Plata
> Comunicación para la Central de Trabajadores Argentinos, y el Jefe de
> Nuevo
> Tecnologías y Negocios de la Asamblea de Pequeños y Medianos
> Mar división de Empresarios de Plata ".
>
>
> Entonces, ¿cómo es que Sergio no tiene un conflicto de interés por ser
> LACRALO como un "usuario de negocio", ya que está involucrado
> con la Asamblea de
> Pequeños y medianos empresarios?
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>
> Saludos,
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> Dev Anand Teelucksingh
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> El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 5:44 de la tarde, Carlton Samuels <
> carlton.samuels en gmail.com>
> escribió:
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> > My friend Alejando, I'm going to irritate you some more with rhetoric.
> And
> > do please accept I am using the classic [English] meaning of the word.
> >
> > What is alleged is purely unfortunate bullshit.
> >
> > Lance Hinds is articulated to ICANN via an MOU with ICANN and caucus with
> > the At-Large and LACRALO as a representative of DevNet; he's the Chairman
> > and its representative to LACRALO.
> >
> > Devnet is a non-governmental organisation that provides ICT development
> > services to those who are on the poor side of the digital divide. DevNet
> > thusly represents end user interests. Think of Devnet as Guyana's
> version
> > Internauta Usarios etc. etc.
> >
> > The man is President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce by virtue of
> > his ownership of a small business; Brainstreet Technologies. He derives
> > his income, his living wage, principally from that business. He DOES NOT
> > get paid as President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce.
> >
> > Here's the issue. It is not unusual for those of us in the Caribbean to
> > have many lives; its called responding to capacity deficit. To say that
> > Lance cannot be a businessman and also represent end user interests when
> > he's Chairman of an NGO - the one thru which he's connected to the ICANN
> > system - just looks delusional for some of us.
> >
> > At least for those of us in the Caribbean who are volunteers for one
> thing
> > or other.
> >
> > -Carlton
> >
> >
> > ==============================
> > Carlton A Samuels
> > Mobile: 876-818-1799
> > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround*
> > =============================
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <
> > apisan en unam.mx> wrote:
> >
> >> Carlton,
> >>
> >>
> >> The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable
> >> conflict of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once
> the
> >> election was in course.
> >>
> >> Simple. No rhetoric needed.
> >>
> >> Alejandro Pisanty
> >>
> >>
> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> >> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
> >> Facultad de QuÃmica UNAM
> >> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD
> >>
> >> +525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475
> >> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
> >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
> >> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,
> >> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty
> >> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
> >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> >> ------------------------------
> >> *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces en atlarge-lists.icann.org [
> >> lac-discuss-en-bounces en atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Carlton
> >> Samuels [carlton.samuels en gmail.com]
> >> *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03
> >> *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en en atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >>
> >> *CC:* Albert Daniels
> >> *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against
> >> At-Large Staff
> >>
> >> I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO
> >> is debilitating.
> >>
> >> I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so
> >> cannot depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do
> what
> >> I must by avoiding vexations to my spirit.
> >>
> >> But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just
> >> too much and I must break my silence.
> >>
> >> In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit:
> >>
> >> Definitions of bullshit
> >> noun
> >> stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense.
> >> verb
> >> talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive.
> >>
> >>
> >> ​It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by
> At-Large
> >> staff in this instance and I will tell you why.
> >>
> >> Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will
> >> repeat it here for effect.
> >>
> >> In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and
> >> where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all
> >> other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly
> [s]elected. ​
> >>
> >> But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process
> >> is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best.
> >>
> >> We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the
> >> nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election
> >> process into question.
> >>
> >> So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come
> >> along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is
> a
> >> poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the
> >> first place!
> >>
> >> As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for
> >> other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action.
> >>
> >> Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome
> >> after trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real
> risk
> >> of reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here.
> >>
> >> Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good
> >> Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy.
> >>
> >> In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed
> >> colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated
> >> unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only
> for
> >> the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a
> single
> >> 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and
> >> expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very
> >> important ICANN councils.
> >>
> >> I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to
> >> muddy the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris
> >> being de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing
> to do
> >> then.
> >>
> >> With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And
> >> the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for
> Lance
> >> Hinds.
> >>
> >> It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is
> >> because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first
> place.
> >>
> >> Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now
> >> erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of
> 'impropriety'
> >> raised!
> >>
> >> So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume
> >> the guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even
> >> asleep at the switch.
> >>
> >> Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other
> >> operating conditions are applied.
> >>
> >> Go figure.
> >>
> >> -Carlton Samuels
> >>
> >> ==============================
> >> Carlton A Samuels
> >> Mobile: 876-818-1799
> >> *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround*
> >> =============================
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
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