[lac-discuss-es] RV: ICANN Alerta de Noticias - ICANN busca la opinión pública en 2013 RAA Retención de datos Especificación Elementos de datos y propósitos legítimos para recogida y conservación

Aida Noblia aidanoblia en gmail.com
Mie Mar 26 22:17:08 UTC 2014 

Carlton:

Muchas Gracias.. la verdad yo no esperaba que lo consideraran tan bien y
menos de una persona que ha estudiado tanto el tema como Ud. Me alegra que
esto pueda ser útil a la comunidad.

No entiendo muy bien la última frase  respecto a mi colaboración con un WG
pero estoy a las órdenes en lo que pueda cooperar.

Saludos a todos
Aída


2014-03-26 19:02 GMT-03:00 <carlton.samuels en gmail.com>:

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>  Asunto: Re: RV: ICANN Alerta de Noticias - ICANN busca la opinión pública
> en 2013 RAA Retención de datos Especificación Elementos de datos y
> propósitos legítimos para recogida y conservación
>  De: carlton.samuels en gmail.com
>
>  Excelente exposición del tema, Aida. Registradores en jurisdicciones de
> la UE +
>  aquellos con regímenes de protección de datos similares y acuerdos
> recíprocos con
>  Protección de datos de la UE, como Uruguay son los más afectados.
>
>
>  El GTE sobre la próxima generación de Registro de Datos Servicios de
> haber abordado este
>  emitir en nuestras deliberaciones y daría la bienvenida a su visión y
> aportes. Yo
>  confía en usted es también un miembro y después de las de At-Large
> cuestiones de registro
>  WG.
>
>
>  Saludos cordiales,
>  -Carlton
>
>
>
>
>  ==============================
>  Carlton Un Samuels
>  Móvil: 876-818-1799
>  * Estrategia, Planificación, Gobierno, Evaluación y Turnaround *
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>
>
>
>  El miércoles, 26 de marzo 2014 a las 2:55 pm, <aidanoblia en gmail.com>
> escribió:
>  >
> > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
> >
> >  Subject: Re: RV: ICANN News Alert - ICANN Seeks Public Comment on 2013
> > RAA Data Retention Specification Data Elements and Legitimate Purposes
> for
> > Collection and Retention
> >  From: aidanoblia en gmail.com
> >
> >  Fatima, Alberto, Alejandro and all
> >
> >
> >  Ses understand that a very important issue, and also in the complex
> >  laws, I could not attend the roundtable mencionFtima is
> >  You can listen any recording? is still some time for
> >  comments? I am not clear what is the closing date for comments.
> >
> >
> >  National legislation on protection of personal data are
> >  rather strict, and also the right of access to information
> >  pblica because ahestara the limit necessary to know what can
> >  and must publish and what not, with quextensin, for how long, quines
> >  they can do it, you can publish lbremente qudatos cules and require
> >  free, express, written consent of the owner ...
> >
> >
> >  In Uruguay the Law 18331 and its implementing regulations refer to the
> >  protection of personal data (qualified in two types (sensitive or not)
> >  As a human right protected by the constitution of the Republic. It
> >  provides the owner of the personal data ARCO rights acronym that
> >  level legislation includes right to access the database,
> >  Corrigendum of Erroneous data or modified in reality,
> >  Erroneous or correction of inaccurate data and Oposicina who does what
> >  the law calls &quot;treatment&quot; of the data that is generally any
> use
> > of
> >  these express your personal information without written consent
> >  holder.
> >
> >
> >  There is a Regulatory Unit Registration and Control of such data by the
> >  Agency electronic government, in the Register of the Specifications
> >  contain mandatory for all personal data that has a base, and
> >  is of public or private persons, controls, and procedures performed
> >  auditing and punishing violators with fines and even closure of the
> >  database.
> >
> >
> >  There is a base charge and take charge of the practice by
> >  account of others or their own. The law regulates their
> responsibilities.
> >  The owner of the database, or jurdica physical person is responding by
> >  use or processing of personal data to the owner of that data.
> >
> >
> >  An when they can use or deal in certain circumstances,
> >  consent of the owner or in cases of data that supports your
> >  treatment without l, personal data can not be used for other
> >  purposes for which the owner permitted use.
> >
> >
> >  The base is responsible for their own or decides its use:
> >  Personal data is collected for a purpose and should be
> >  eliminated once cumplila purpose for which it was collected,
> >  can transmit only in certain conditions .. etc.. It is that
> >  responsible for the base, which can be physical or legal person to whom
> > the
> >  data subject can enforce penalties or
> >  may correspond.
> >
> >
> >  With variations, this is repeated in the legislation.In case of
> >  international data transfer international law applies, and
> >  habrque therefore analyze what is the applicable law and jurisdiction
> >  competition.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  In the case of ICANN, the owner of the database is * not * ICANN, for
> >  Therefore, * is not * legally controller who is made of the
> >  personal data.
> >
> >
> >  According saw, in the system of the new agreement, the service is
> > outsourced,
> >  To improve it in terms of the quality of the data and also about its
> >  treatment, but that does not mean the change of ownership.
> >
> >
> >  So ICANN agrees the &quot;excencin&quot; of data retention in
> >  analyzing some specific cases and by a special procedure,
> >  but hurting the service is intended to improve the users by
> >  this new medium.
> >
> >
> >  This is done at the request of the records to be released from their
> >  liability because by not having to keep the data in accordance with
> >  According to ICANN no longer have to answer to the law for their
> >  conservation, damage, misuse, etc..It emphasizes the need for the
> >  good faith by the owner or holder of the database (check in)
> >  which contains the data, though this good faith is a matter of difficult
> >  certain proof.
> >
> >
> >  Also, to not keep such data prevents any possibility
> >  fulfill the functions of ICANN in such cases, with respect to the
> > prevention of
> >  damages that may result from misuse of domain names and
> >  similar.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  The issue in each case is to analyze these requests, if you really
> >  retention of such data is necessary for the service prestacin
> >  to Travs registry is provided or if it constitutes a violation of the
> >  law. The blog that cases can be referred to and do not appear
> >  so rare. And the position of registrars is clearly find that
> >  facilitate their task. but in this case may be against the effectiveness
> > and
> >  completeness of the service provided by ICANN. From what has already
> been
> > given and can
> >  see on the web, it seems that security prevails.But the ms allde
> >  presentation requirements of having the case (with reports of attorney,
> > etc.
> >  ) Should be studied very well in that case is given rather than presumed
> >  good faith as a way to resolve these cases.
> >
> >
> >  Otherwise give an endorsement by the owners of the Records
> >  released from liability, affect the risk of compliance
> >  other obligations, affect all other obligations of the
> >  Register and its owner as dueoo who treats data.
> >
> >
> >  As decan seems a matter of interest.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  Regards
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  3/22/2014 20:59 GMT-03: 00 Alberto Soto <asoto en ibero-americano.org> :
> >  >
> >  >
> > > Fátima, solo serán las 04:00 AM en Buenos Aires... Pero prometo
> > participar.
> > >
> > > Gracias!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Alberto Soto
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > De: Fatima Cambronero [mailto:fatimacambronero en gmail.com]
> > > Enviado el: sábado, 22 de marzo de 2014 08:54 p.m.
> > > Para: Alberto Soto
> > > CC: Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch; LACRALO Español
> > > Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] RV: [ALAC-Announce] ICANN News Alert --
> > ICANN
> > > Seeks Public Comment on 2013 RAA Data Retention Specification Data
> > Elements
> > > and Legitimate Purposes for Collection and Retention
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Alejandro, Alberto,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Comparto la opinión de que estamos frente a un tema interesante que
> > > deberíamos poder analizar y pronunciarnos desde nuestra región.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > El día lunes 24 a las 15 hs. local de Singapur está prevista una Mesa
> > > Redonda sobre Servicios de Directorio de Registro: presente y futuro.
> Si
> > > bien este tema concretamente no está incluido en la agenda de la
> reunión,
> > > es
> > > un tema muy relacionado que quizás aparezca en los debates.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sería bueno participar en esta Mesa Redonda para escuchar y discutir
> los
> > > comentarios que pueda haber al respecto. Entiendo que en el horario de
> > > nuestros países queda en una franja un poco complicada. Yo voy a estar
> > > atendiendo a dicha reunión. Si hay algún comentario o consulta que
> > quieran
> > > hacer llegar, me ofrezco para transmitirlos.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Este es el enlace a la agenda de esta Mesa Redonda:
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Roundtable+on+Registrat
> > > ion+Directory+Services%3A+Now+and+the+Future+-+2014.03.24+-+Singapore
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Aquí el enlace al Adobe Connect:
> > https://icann.adobeconnect.com/sin49-vip/
> > > (este es el mismo para todas las reuniones de At-Large de la semana).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Saludos cordiales,
> > >
> > > Fatima Cambronero
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2014-03-21 23:40 GMT-03:00 Alberto Soto <asoto en ibero-americano.org
> > > <mailto:asoto en ibero-americano.org> >:
> > >
> > > Creo que  el interés debe ser suficiente. Es justamente uno de los
> temas
> > > que
> > > hacen a la existencia de entidades orientadas al usuario final de
> > Internet,
> > > es decir, NOSOTROS.
> > > Con seguridad hay distintas legislaciones para cada país, al menos en
> > > algunos ítems sustanciales. Aunque hay países que aún no tienen
> > > legislación.
> > > Hay 30 días para comentarios, es poco tiempo para  la importancia del
> > tema.
> > > Sugiero que muy rápidamente las respectivas ALSs de cada país de
> nuestra
> > > Región, lea   los antecedentes de esta referencia, y luego  informen la
> > > legislación vigente en su respectivo país, con comentarios. También
> > sugiero
> > > que para esta primera fase, la fecha límite sea el próximo viernes
> > > 28/03/2014.
> > > También sugiero que quienes están participando en Singapur, sean
> eximidos
> > > de
> > > participar, tienen cosas muy importante que hacer por nosotros.
> > >
> > > Saludos cordiales
> > >
> > > Alberto Soto
> > >
> > > -----Mensaje original-----
> > > De: lac-discuss-es-bounces en atlarge-lists.icann.org
> > > <mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces en atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> > > [mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces en atlarge-lists.icann.org
> > > <mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces en atlarge-lists.icann.org> ] En nombre de
> > Dr.
> > > Alejandro Pisanty Baruch
> > > Enviado el: viernes, 21 de marzo de 2014 11:25 p.m.
> > > Para: lac-discuss-es en atlarge-lists.icann.org
> > > <mailto:lac-discuss-es en atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> > > Asunto: [lac-discuss-es] RV: [ALAC-Announce] ICANN News Alert -- ICANN
> > > Seeks
> > >
> > > Public Comment on 2013 RAA Data Retention Specification Data Elements
> and
> > > Legitimate Purposes for Collection and Retention
> > >
> > > Colegas,
> > >
> > > el llamado anexo puede tener implicaciones legales apreciables en
> nuestra
> > > región. Convoquemos a los expertos en protección de datos personales y
> > > otros
> > > temas relacionados con la retención de datos (cómputo forense, leyes de
> > > telecomunicaciones, Marco Civil en el caso particular de Brasil) para
> > > conformar una opinión sólida, si hay el interés suficiente.
> > >
> > > Alejandro Pisanty
> > >
> > >
> > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > >      Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
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> > > ________________________________________
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> > > [alac-announce-bounces en atlarge-lists.icann.org
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> > > ICANN
> > > At-Large
> > > Staff [staff en atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff en atlarge.icann.org> ]
> > Enviado
> > > el: viernes, 21 de marzo de 2014
> > > 20:00
> > > Hasta: ALAC-Announce en atlarge-lists.icann.org
> > > <mailto:ALAC-Announce en atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> > > Asunto: [ALAC-Announce] ICANN News Alert -- ICANN Seeks Public Comment
> on
> > > 2013 RAA Data Retention Specification Data Elements and Legitimate
> > Purposes
> > > for Collection and Retention
> > >
> > > [http://www.icann.org/images/gradlogo_bow.jpg]<http://www.icann.org/>
> > > News Alert
> > >
> > >
> http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-3-21mar14-en.htm
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > ICANN Seeks Public Comment on 2013 RAA Data Retention Specification
> Data
> > > Elements and Legitimate Purposes for Collection and Retention
> > >
> > > 21 March 2014
> > >
> > > ICANN has been in discussions with a number of Registrars regarding
> data
> > > retention waiver requests ("Waiver Requests") submitted under the 2013
> > > Registrar Accreditation Agreement (the "2013 RAA"). Some Registrars are
> > > seeking an exemption from certain collection and/or retention
> > requirements
> > > under the Data Retention Specification (the "Specification") of the
> 2013
> > > RAA. Section 2 of the Data Retention Specification sets forth
> > requirements
> > > regarding the written materials a Registrar must submit in support of
> its
> > > good faith determination that the collection and/or retention of any
> data
> > > element specified in the Specification violates applicable law, and
> > > provides
> > > that following notice to ICANN of the Waiver Request, ICANN and the
> > > applicable Registrar shall discuss the matter in good faith in an
> effort
> > to
> > > reach a mutually acceptable resolution of the matter. An update on the
> > 2013
> > > RAA and the data retention waiver process can be found here:
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://blog.icann.org/2014/02/update-on-2013-raa-and-data-retention-waiver-p
> > > <
> > >
> >
> http://blog.icann.org/2014/02/update-on-2013-raa-and-data-retention-waiver-
> > > process/>
> > > rocess/
> > >
> > > ICANN understands that personal data should be treated in accordance
> with
> > > applicable data protection laws, which generally permit gathering and
> > > retention of personal data for legitimate purpose(s). ICANN also
> > > understands
> > > that the law may vary from country to country as to (i) what is
> > considered
> > > a
> > > legitimate purpose, (ii) whether the personal data is adequate,
> relevant
> > > and
> > > not excessive in relation to the legitimate purpose for which they are
> > > collected and (iii) for how long certain data elements may be retained.
> > In
> > > other words, what is considered a legitimate purpose for collection of
> > > certain data in one country may not be considered a legitimate purpose
> in
> > > another country.
> > >
> > > During ICANN's discussions in an effort to reach a mutually acceptable
> > > resolution of the matter, some Registrars have requested that ICANN (a)
> > > clarify and better define certain data elements described in the Data
> > > Retention Specification that the Registrars maintain are not clearly
> > > defined; and (b) describe potentially legitimate purposes for
> collection
> > > and
> > > retention of each data element that would help provide guidance for
> > > Registrars both as to whether such elements may be lawfully collected,
> > and,
> > > if so, for how long such elements might lawfully be retained.
> > >
> > > In response to these requests from some Registrars, ICANN is posting
> for
> > > public comment a document seeking to clarify what is meant by certain
> > data
> > > elements described in the Data Retention Specification and describing
> > > potentially legitimate purposes for collection and retention of those
> > data
> > > elements. That document can be found
> > > here<
> > >
> http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/raa/draft-data-retention-s
> > > <
> > >
> >
> http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/raa/draft-data-retention-spec-
> > > elements-21mar14-en.pdf>
> > > pec-elements-21mar14-en.pdf> [PDF, 116 KB]. The document will be posted
> > for
> > > a period of thirty (30) days to seek feedback and input from the
> > community
> > > on (i) whether the data elements are appropriately described, (ii)
> > whether
> > > the cited purposes for collection and retention are appropriate and
> > > legitimate, and (iii) whether there are other potentially legitimate
> > > purposes for collection and retention of such data elements. After the
> > > thirty (30) day period following this posting has expired, ICANN will
> > > consider all feedback and input received in connection with ICANN's
> > ongoing
> > > discussions to reach a mutually acceptable resolution of Waiver
> Requests.
> > > In
> > > the interim, ICANN will continue its ongoing discussions to reach a
> > > mutually
> > > acceptable resolution of Waiver Requests with individual Registrars
> with
> > > the
> > > goal of granting additional Waiver Requests as and when appropriate.
> > >
> > > A public comment period will remain open until 23:59 p.m.
> PDT/California,
> > > 21
> > > April 2014. Public comments will be available for consideration by
> ICANN
> > > staff and the ICANN Board.
> > >
> > >  *   Comments can be posted to:
> > > comments-retention-21mar14 en icann.org
> > > <mailto:comments-retention-21mar14 en icann.org>
> > > <mailto:comments-retention-21mar14 en icann
> > > <mailto:comments-retention-21mar14 en icann>
> > > .org>
> > >  *   Comments can be viewed at:
> > > http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-retention-21mar14/
> > >
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